Jorge Rafael Videla Dead.

[Yogur griego]

The most appropriate option might be to fling Videla's body from a C-130 into the South Atlantic. It should, though, be far enough away from the River Plate estuary that wouldn't wash up to stench the shoreline.

They should have done that when he was stil alive

 

[GS_Dirtboy]

It's a shame that he died relatively peacefully. What would have been appropriate is to snatch him out of his jail cell in the middle of the night, send him to the Naval Engineering School for a week or so to keep company a group of Barrio Azteca gang members on R&R, then thrown from the C-130 leased from Chile or Brasil. It's hard to imagine the amount of suffering that was orchestrated by this man.

 

[Napoleon]

The worst blodiest dictator this country ever had, he represents the lowest hours argentine society lived. But he was not the only one, there were a lot of people, a lot of enterprizes, a lot of powerful people he governed for. And all those people are still alive, they are importants actors in argentine economy or political scene. Dont we forget about this.

What I can't understand is why people always say "The Dirty War, from 1976-1983..." This is ridiculous! It all started under Peron! Of course it was Isabelita Peron and she wasn't really running the country... Rega was, but by the time of the military coup of 1976, the Montoneros were almost completely wiped out. But that's glossed over like it was all started with the CIA backed coup in 1976. Even the memorial plaques on the ground along the Banco de la Nacion Argentina on Calle Reconquista start with two BNA workers being disappeared in 1975. But time and time again this is omitted from stories about the disappeared.

Yes, Videla was a piece of ****. And rather than having people shot in the back while waiting for buses, they were disappeared. And yes, the first group or two were drugged and pushed out of planes over the Rio de la Plata, but I guess that they learned from the Peron Administration that it's best not to have bodies floating up on shore. But glossing over who started the whole practice of disappearing people in the first place is very "1984" in its re-writing of history.

...As is the whole "30,000" number where nearly every "independent" study shows that the number was at most, just about half that... but "30,000" IS easy to remember.
...And the "fact" that the Montoneros & ERP are "credited" with over a 1,000 deaths is also easy to gloss over. But it shouldn't be.

It would be much better if the whole story was as fact-based as possible, on BOTH sides of the issue. (I'm a "facts" over "story" kind of person.)

Oh, and it's good that Videla has "moved on". Wasting tax payer money on taking care of that guy was an affront to all those who actually pay taxes.

 

[Risu]

Lest we forget, it was Operation Condor & Mr Henry. K. (you know the guy who was awarded the Nobel Peace prize) who (facts are friendly) encouraged & supported this whole ugly period in South America.
Videla will have no peace in hell.

 

[Napoleon]

Lest we forget, it was Operation Condor & Mr Henry. K. (you know the guy who was awarded the Nobel Peace prize) who (facts are friendly) encouraged & supported this whole ugly period in South America.
Videla will have no peace in hell.

Yes. The whole "[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]But that's glossed over like it was all started with the CIA backed coup in 1976."[/background] kind of touched on that, but didn't spell it out that Henry Kissinger was always a lying underhanded self-important piece of crap. Yes, the US was concerned that leftist anarchists might pave a way for Soviet involvement in Latin America and the "fall of Cuba" was a reminder that they didn't want the Soviet influence to spread in "their back yard" no matter what the cost. Soviets felt the same way about Eastern Europe.

So we all agree that getting Isabel out of Spain and into Argentine courts to be judged for her mass murdering spree is much more important than asking for the British to hand over the Malvinas?...

Israel would have scooped her up and snuck her out of Spain by now if she had done the same thing during WWII in an "occupied" country. I can't understand how Spain's refusal to extradite her is readily accepted and everyone's moved on.

 

[PaulBee]

What a month ! A military junta dictator and Margaret Thatcher died almost at the same time. Argentina must be delighted.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

What I can't understand is why people always say "The Dirty War, from 1976-1983..."

Only expats talk about dirty war. Argentines understands it was a genocide and we say "State terrorism".

And yes, the first group or two were drugged and pushed out of planes over the Rio de la Plata, but I guess that they learned from the Peron Administration that it's best not to have bodies floating up

In fact, they learned from the french army and they follow the tactics (torture, torture and more torture) they used in argelia.

They didn t read any basic history book: frenchs won the war but they lost Argelia. The same happend to them, they won the war but military lost its prestige and power. That is why it was possible to jail them.

Videla was ignorant enough to missunderstand another small detail: french commit war crimes against people of a colony while videla did it to his own people...french went hpme when they lost, AR military sooner or later to jail.

...As is the whole "30,000" number where nearly every "independent" study shows that the number was at most, just about half that...

Impossible to know. Every warlord had his territory. It was very alike the medieval age. There were not a unified list or inteligence system. There were no state. They were killing each other too for power.

It would be much better if the whole story was as fact-based as possible, on BOTH sides of the issue. (I'm a "facts" over "story" kind of person.)

There was a big effort on that direction. Read Reato (Videla's voice); la voluntad (very accurate facts, very well written like a novel (left oriented); volver a matar, el escarmiento, nadie fue, todos fuimos, 1982 (written by former chief of intelegence) describes very well the story from 1970 up to 1984 from the view if the chief of the AR intelegence agency. Montoneros, la violencia armada (self critic).

Wasting tax payer money on taking care of that guy was an affront to all those who actually pay taxes.

We had death penalty for over 400 years (very limited of course) and judges refused to sentence to dead for 400 years.

Videla hide the genocidal because he knew it was not going to be accepted by argentines and the international comunity.

Remember that Videla died in jail because a bunch of mothers refused to forget and forgive him.

Those mothers and grandmothers were the only ones who faced Videla when he was on the top of his power.

And they use the Court to look for justice.

So, i really feel this tax money was very well expended because Argentina was able to send his owns genocidals to jail. It is an example to follow.

 

[French jurist]

One of the highest ranked French militaries who instructed the Argentinean torturers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2xFlIKNvT8

A real shame for the "Country of Human Rights" (my own grandfather got tortured by the Gestapo, in rue des Saussaies in Paris... waterboarding)

 

[ajoknoblauch]

State terrorism, absolutely, but "genocide" suggests singling out a particular ethnic group. The Argentine milicos targeted other Argentines not because of their ethnicity but because of their political beliefs (or, in many cases, their supposed political beliefs). Of course, more than a few of those milicos singled out Jewish Argentines for special abusive treatment, but the political criteria were primary. Most victims were ethnically indistinguishable from their killers and torturers.

 

[camberiu]

One of the highest ranked French militaries who instructed the Argentinean torturers


A real shame for the "Country of Human Rights" (my own grandfather got tortured by the Gestapo, in rue des Saussaies in Paris... waterboarding)

When you look into the abyss, the abyss looks back at you.