Lack Of Wheat?

[Bajo_cero2]

But don't you see, its the farmers fault for trying to make money and not helping out the fellow comrades at a loss.



Some of those numbers are shocking, i wonder what part Argentina has taken in the global rise of food prices!

Seems that China and biodiesel has a lot more influence in the rise ofinternational prices.

 

[arlean]

The fact that people desperately seek dollars as a "safe" investment only shows you how little they know about economics, at least these days. And I totally agree on price control. And most people back home don't know the first thing either. Especially the one living at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

InternationalGuy I clicked like but I am cheering! Agreed. We aren't just pointing at Argentina (although for me now, "back home" IS Argentina). Bajo_Cero has Argentina ever tried a free market? If so can you tell me when? I know it has not been since I have known Argentina or in the history that I know. I believe a free market would work. The market finds its own level based on supply and demand. As far as I know there is no free market right now in the whole world. Politicians don't like free market because it takes them out of control of the people. A certain element of people will vote for whomever promises the most (whether they deliver or not--strangely).

I am trying to learn about economics here and economic history and if anyone knows good books, i'm interested. I wonder, back when Argentina was second in the world economically, what was the economics policy then? The function of government in a free market is ONLY to protect property rights, see that contracts are honored, etc. Not try to control the economy and micromanage and take from one person to give it to another. The markets will find their own level if left alone--as they once did in the U.S.

 

[dennisr]

I am trying to learn about economics here and economic history and if anyone knows good books, i'm interested.

http://spruce.flint.umich.edu/~mjperry/notes.htm

 

[Bajo_cero2]

http://www.clarin.com/politica/criticas-Gobierno-armaron-barata-Rural_0_962303998.html

Farmers assert that the bread should cost 1,9 pesos and they blame the chain of comercialization (those 18 companies who were speculation with the harvest of wheat hidding it).

 

[arlean]

DennisR Thanks for the link. But it is not economics I am trying to learn. Been there done that (though it never stops). It is ARGENTINA's economic history that I don't feel I have a handle on. If you have links for that, I'm interested. For example, what was the economic policy back when Argentina was so successful and prosperous and what has changed. Things like that.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

It is not that simple.
Argentina on the 1880 imported machine guns and exterminated the indians. Before that, the long extentions of fields were not cultivated because the Mapuches were too strong and they used to attack Buenos Aires regulary. Just imagine 50.000 horse men with spears and arrows.

So, the boom on the AR economy was regarding that suddenly they had available one of the most important extentions of soil but no population.

The economy rise was non stop no matter what economy model they used (free market since 1880, planned economy with Peron, Keynes during emocratic transicions with radicales mainly) until the coup against Peron. After that. to try to understand the economy fall using economy models is naive because there was a political crisis that created a cold war that, in the 70´s because hot.
Videla, the genocidal, opened the customs to foreign comodities and put an artificial exchange rate ridicoulous low. The external debt rise from 4 billion dollars up tp 90. During the 80´s the Keynesian model was used with some success but the political crisis boycotted the economy again. In 1989 there was hiperinflacion (over 300% per year) when the Central Bank run off of dollars. During Menem Presidency (90 until 2001), he sold the state companies, reduced the State and made somekind of free market using monetarist concepts. You can googhle Cavallo, he is a Hardvard economist who was the economy minister during his Presidency. Everyboidy hates him nowadays. The external debt rise another 90 billions.
The reason is simple, people wants dollars, and the government took loans to keep people happy. The importations without restrictions created an umbalance relationship between imports and exports. So, Argentina took loans to pay for importations of goods.

But you asked about books.
Historia economica argentina. It is used at the UBA economy university. You can find this and many others in the libraries close to the economy university at Cordoba and Junin.

There was another, I can t remember the title, that studied the japanese and AR economy as twoo separated cases that don t fit in the traditional models or dogmas. I quit the economy carrer when I was 22, so I can t remember the title.

 

[AmigoArtistico]

Otra ocurrencia del secretario explica la producción récord de granos

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1604852-otra-ocurrencia-del-secretario-explica-la-produccion-record-de-granos

How long before Moreno declares these granos "missing?"

Or is everybody else lying, and Moreno is telling the truth?

One million hectares magically added to the five million hectares that are being sown for the next season's crop? One million hectares that don't exist. One million additional (fictional) hectares that Moreno says will add 6 million (fictional) tons to the next harvest.

In a world with so much lying and uncertainty, it's fortunate that we have the cristinistas, the only ones who can expose the lies of the rest of the world, the only ones who can always be counted on to to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

We'll all be sad to see them go.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Interesting, he calculates the real harvest instead of the declared one. Seems pragmatic.

 

[AmigoArtistico]

Move to strike. Non-responsive. (In case you didn't know, that's lawyer talk.)

 

[glasgowjohn]

Otra ocurrencia del secretario explica la producción récord de granos

http://www.lanacion....ecord-de-granos

How long before Moreno declares these granos "missing?"

Or is everybody else lying, and Moreno is telling the truth?

One million hectares magically added to the five million hectares that are being sown for the next season's crop? One million hectares that don't exist. One million additional (fictional) hectares that Moreno says will add 6 million (fictional) tons to the next harvest.

In a world with so much lying and uncertainty, it's fortunate that we have the cristinistas, the only ones who can expose the lies of the rest of the world, the only ones who can always be counted on to to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

We'll all be sad to see them go.

The real harvest?

According to the figures from which organisation?

Indec? I would really trust their figures - have always been accurate in the past............