Now Police Can Ask You For The Dni You Don't Have

[Bajo_cero2]

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1859858-la-corte-de-la-ciudad-avalo-un-caso-en-el-que-la-policia-pidio-documentos-a-un-particular-en-un-lugar-publico

 

[camberiu]

http://www.lanacion....n-lugar-publico

Huge loss to the civil liberties in Argentina. This country now joins the rank of its neighbours, sharing the shameful act of criminalizing the absence of government ID.

 

[citygirl]

OMG!!!111!!! Police can ask you for identification?! THE END OF THE WORLD!!111!!!

At what point does it say its criminal not to have it? Nor does it say DNI. Just documents of identify (i.e., passport).. Since you need to show a document for just about every single thing you do here - seriously - why is it a big deal that a police officer has the right to ask you for it since the clerk in the store can do it if you try to buy something? I'm pro-civil liberties and if there is a clear pattern of profiling or abuse of powers, I'll be the first to condemn it but this I just can't see as a big deal.

ID - You need to have it when you drive, you have to have it if you try to buy anything with a card, you have to show it (in triplicate it feels like) for any official interaction, why shouldn't the police be able to ask you for it?

 

[Rich One]

Just for curiosity if you don't drive what is the valid ID in the USA, where it's mandatory to carry ID ?? Library card counts??

 

[Ries]

In the USA, valid ID these days is a passport. Very soon, they wont let you fly, even domestically, in the USA, without either a passport, or an "enhanced" drivers license.
So drivers licenses are, more and more often, not enough.

In almost every state, you can also get an ID card from the DMV, which looks like a drivers license, but wont allow you to drive. You still need to go in, pay, and get your picture taken, showing a birth certificate to get it.
In many parts of the USA, a birth certificate is required to GET ID, but its not accepted as ID.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Citigirl: they were able to ask for it before under 2 standards according to the criminal prodedure law.

Indicios vehementes de culpabilidad (evidence that you commited a crime). For example: you have blood in your clothes, you are running too fast without sport clothes, you are driving a car too expensive for your clothes, etc. this is alike "Terri vsus Ohio".

The second was flagrancia. It means when they caught you doing something illegal, even minor, and then they find something more serious. They stop you for a broken light, you had a gun in the car.

Now they can stop you without reason.

What you don't see is that after asking for DNI (not passport), they can arrest you for checking your background (fingerprints) and you can spend in jail no less than 8 hours.

Experience shows that once they arrest you without reason, torture is the best way for making you confess something.

So, seems that you are not so sharp with civil rights.

If you want to learn more about how does asking DNI without reasons you can google Correpi. They deal with police torture and fake gunfires (fusillades).

Regarding foreigners, right, passport, then they escort you to immigration where they also have a jail for foreigners. As soon as you come in the blue taxi, guess what's next.

I posted in the past the picture of the arrest act of 2 of my clients whom were arrested in another State where police was able to ask for DNI. I had to make an habeas corpus to free them.

 

[camberiu]

Once your freedom is depended on having or not with you a piece of paper issued by the state, validating who you are, you are no longer a citizen, but property. And your ID is no longer an ID, it is a cattle mark.

 

[Gringoboy]

Citigirl: they were able to ask for it before under 2 standards according to the criminal prodedute law.

Indicios vehementes de culpabilidad (evidence that you commited a crime). For example: you have blood in your clothes, you are running too fast without sport clothes, you are driving a car too expensive for your clothes, etc. this is alike "Terru vsus Ohio".

The second was flagrancia. It means when they caught you doing something illegal, even minor, and then they find something more serious. They stop you for a broken light, you had a gun in the car.

Now they can stop you without reason.

What you don't see is that after asking for DNI (not passport), they can arrest you to take your fingerprints and you can spend in jail no less than 8 hours.

Experience shows that once they arrest you without reason, torture is the best way for you to confess one.

So, seems that you are not very sharp with civil rights.

If you want to learn more about police prectize you can google Correpi.

Regarding foreigners, right, passport, then they escort you to immigration where they also have a jail for foreigners. As soon as you come in the blue taxi, guess what's next.

I've read some rubbish before, but this right here, clearly takes the biscuit.
As if we hadn't noticed, this is a veiled stab by the doc to paint Macri and his government as some kind of creators of a new police state, if that is possible.
In many ways, this country has been a police state for ages and I've seen very few complaints in this place so far.
My personal experience of the police in Argentina is head and shoulders above what I experienced in England in terms of politeness and respect.
I've been stopped on my motorcycle countless times. Yes it's annoying and the first thing they ask for is your document. It's like night following day, so what's the big deal?

 

[Bajo_cero2]

I've read some rubbish before, but this right here, clearly takes the biscuit.
As if we hadn't noticed, this is a veiled stab by the doc to paint Macri and his government as some kind of creators of a new police state, if that is possible.
In many ways, this country has been a police state for ages and I've seen very few complaints in this place so far.
My personal experience of the police in Argentina is head and shoulders above what I experienced in England in terms of politeness and respect.
I've been stopped on my motorcycle countless times. Yes it's annoying and the first thing they ask for is your document. It's like night following day, so what's the big deal?

First: read. It was the Supreme Court of the city, not Macri by decree this time.

Second: the criminal procedure allows to stop cars and there are rules.

Third: this is about walking in the street. Once they stop you, they can also arrest you for taking the fingerprints. Nice.

Fourth: read it again because i was editing it while you replied.

 

[camberiu]

And never, ever, under any circumstances, talk to the police without having a lawyer present.


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