Now Police Can Ask You For The Dni You Don't Have

[citygirl]

Shhh gringoboy - don't you realize this is a piece of brilliance by the doctor? He not only gets to say Macri is a dictator but he also gets to scare permatourists into thinking they will be jailed for not having a DNI and (possibly) drum up some business for himself. It's a win-win.

I'll be waiting with baited breath for the first expat to be tortured for not having a DNI. First we were waiting for the great crackdown and permatourists being exported. Sadly it appears there were only a handful of cases of people being denied entry. Clearly the next logical stage is arrest and torture.

This place (baexpats that is) is getting fun again

 

[Gringoboy]

First: read. It was the Supreme Court of the city, not Macri by decree this time.

Second: the criminal procedure allows to stop cars and there are rules.
The police here stop cars and motorcycles all the time at checkpoints. I don't like it, but what's new?

Third: this is about walking in the street. Once they stop you, they can also arrest you for taking the fingerprints. Nice.
Yeah right. They're going to stop me, then arrest me just to play the piano?

Fourth: read it again because i was editing it while you replied.

Maybe you should take a stress pill and lie down. It's obviously getting to you.

 

[Redbeanz]

Experience shows that once they arrest you without reason, torture is the best way for making you confess something.

I am curious about how far back this experience goes? Since Macri has been in office for only 4 weeks, the arrests without reason, followed by torture, can't be a policy put in place by him. Surely you are not saying his predecessor in office espoused this policy?

First: read. It was the Supreme Court of the city, not Macri by decree this time.

Second: the criminal procedure allows to stop cars and there are rules.

Third: this is about walking in the street. Once they stop you, they can also arrest you for taking the fingerprints. Nice.

Fourth: read it again because i was editing it while you replied.

Fifth: once they arrest you, they can torture you?
Are you moonlighting with the tourism board, to attract visitors?

 

[camberiu]

Fifth: once they arrest you, they can torture you?
Are you moonlighting with the tourism board, to attract visitors?

If you lived through what he, and many Argentines his age did, you'd understand.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

I am curious about how far back this experience goes? Since Macri has been in office for only 4 weeks, the arrests without reason, followed by torture, can't be a policy put in place by him. Surely you are not saying his predecessor in office espoused this policy?

The arrest without reason with or without torture is the standard procedure in any dictatorship. We didn't have it in the last 12 years because before that police was behaving that democracy nothing changed.

Once you open the door of the arrest without reason, freedom is over.

I guess this is going to be a usefull tool as soon as they plan to layoff 2 million workers and there is going to be a lot of social unrrest.

FYI the change came with the Bulacio leading case at the Interamerican Court of Human Rights where Argentina was sentenced for the arrest without reason for averiguacion de antecedentes of a teen and he died during torture.

His last words were that he was beaten by police.

https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Bulacio

Fifth: once they arrest you, they can torture you?
Are you moonlighting with the tourism board, to attract visitors?

Once you are arrested, you are defendless. Whatever might happend.

So, it is a lot better if there are limits to the power of the State.

You are missing the point. As soon as you are irregular, now you might be target for asking brives because, otherwise, you can be taken in a blue taxi to immigration.

 

[Redbeanz]

If you lived through what he, and many Argentines his age did, you'd understand.

I have no idea of his age, but of course I know people who lived through the 70's horrors. Am just astounded that the policies of the military gov't of 35 years ago would be projected forward 35 years and implied to be the new administration's policy???

 

[mjohnstone]

For my own safety, for health issues, I always have my DNI and my prepaga/obra social ID in my pocket. I like to think that if something were to happen to me emergency services officers would find their job easier if they knew my identity, which hospital/prepaga I prefer (and is likely to have my clinical history, blood type, etc.) and they would also be able to reach my family sooner.
If you're going to become paranoic, then you're probably better off erasing your fingerprints.

 

[Redbeanz]

Bajo, because I'm the second person today to receive your "you are missing the point" reply, I am going to give you a linguistic pass. I believe that you do not comprehend that this is condescending. A polite suggestion: when you think someone is not understanding your point, how about just saying "I must not have explained that very well." This suggests that the fault isn't always in the hearer, but very possibly, sometimes in the speaker.

Having gotten past that, I must say it is a far leap from having to produce I.D and being subjected to torture, here in 21st century Argentina, and I think it must be an awful burden to carry around that level of skepticism and fear of being made 'irregular.' Cambiemos!

 

[Bajo_cero2]

I have no idea of his age, but of course I know people who lived through the 70's horrors. Am just astounded that the policies of the military gov't of 35 years ago would be projected forward 35 years and implied to be the new administration's policy???

Well, there was no change (cambiemos), they just came back.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Bajo, because I'm the second person today to receive your "you are missing the point" reply, I am going to give you a linguistic pass. I believe that you do not comprehend that this is condescending. A polite suggestion: when you think someone is not understanding your point, how about just saying "I must not have explained that very well." This suggests that the fault isn't always in the hearer, but very possibly, sometimes in the speaker.

Ok, i didn't know, i apologize.

Having gotten past that, I must say it is a far leap from having to produce I.D and being subjected to torture, here in 21st century Argentina, and I think it must be an awful burden to carry around that level of skepticism and fear of being made 'irregular.' Cambiemos!

Here i didn't understand you.

My point is: if you have issues with your papers, it is better if police cannot just ask you for them because the standard procedure is to arrest you just in case while an immigration agent is going to tell you to apply for residency.

If there is going to be or not a higher level of violence, it is going to be use against the 2 million of future unemployed but you cannot expect razonability once the rule of law is abandoned.