Peronists do surprisingly well in provincial elections

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One would expect them to have been soundly punished by a furious electorate, but apparently it was not so.

The headline translates (roughly) as -
In Misiones, the Frente Renovador de la Concordia, an alliance close to the FdT, swept away. La Rioja was once again in the hands of the Frente de Todos, which also seized the provincial capital from Juntos por el Cambio. And, in Jujuy, Gerardo Morales achieved the victory of his candidate, thus reinforcing his national ambitions.

The usual Google Translate deal, banner is in Castellano and story will initially appear in that tongue, but wait a few seconds and it will change to English.

This particular article is by Mario Wainfield, who is a wordy bugger at the best of times, and has really gone overboard with the flowery rhetoric this time, so Google Translate is making even heavier going of it than usual. But one can get the idea that "officialism", (which apparently means the Kirchernista flavor of Peronism), has done less badly than one would expect. That's not saying they have done outstandingly well, but at least they didn't get totally clobbered.

Perhaps we have made the mistake of extrapolating CABA to the rest of the country, forgetting that each province is its own little world.
 
Perhaps we have made the mistake of extrapolating CABA to the rest of the country, forgetting that each province is its own little world.
Only the provinces with sizeable populations really matter for national politics. Provincia Buenos Aires, CABA, Mendoza, Cordoba, Santa Fe are what matters - right there you have 30 million inhabitants.

Also provincial politics is not always the same as national politics for voters, for example you can't blame Perotti for Argentina's inflation although you can blame him (to some extent) for Santa Fe's security and employment ups and downs which in the interior more often than not are far "closer to home" to voters.
 
Only the provinces with sizeable populations really matter for national politics. Provincia Buenos Aires, CABA, Mendoza, Cordoba, Santa Fe are what matters - right there you have 30 million inhabitants.

Also provincial politics is not always the same as national politics for voters, for example you can't blame Perotti for Argentina's inflation although you can blame him (to some extent) for Santa Fe's security and employment ups and downs which in the interior more often than not are far "closer to home" to voters.

Here is a list of the provinces, if you page down 3-4 times. It's sortable by various things, if you click on the headers. Sorting by 2022 population, I see your numbers are very accurate, anti. There are actually 7 other provinces with over 1 million population, but your observation is still valid. Obviously, La Provincia is the 800 pound gorilla at 17+ million. You have to add up the other 4 entities you mentioned, (i.e. CABA, Mendoza, Cordoba, Santa Fe), plus Tucuman, Salta, and Entre Rios to equal that 17 million.

The other amusing thing about that list is comparing the 2010 population figures to the numbers for 2022. Tierra Del Fuego apparently increased its population by 50% in those 12 years. Aaaahhh, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?
 
The other amusing thing about that list is comparing the 2010 population figures to the numbers for 2022. Tierra Del Fuego apparently increased its population by 50% in those 12 years. Aaaahhh, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?
i suppose it is hard to believe bit lets not forget its increasing off a very small base and 60k-70k more people in an area that is actually encouraging manufacturing in Rio Grande could well move the needle in terms of population. Ushuaia also has natural resources for exploitation and is the hub into the Antarctic. 60-70k more doesn't seem too crazy.
 
i suppose it is hard to believe bit lets not forget its increasing off a very small base and 60k-70k more people in an area that is actually encouraging manufacturing in Rio Grande could well move the needle in terms of population. Ushuaia also has natural resources for exploitation and is the hub into the Antarctic. 60-70k more doesn't seem too crazy.
These are excellent points, and another example of why I do so enjoy these conversations with the community, when we can get past politics, and set aside all the trivial disagreements we have.
 
I remember reading somewhere that La Rioja has a substantial proportion of civil servants. Can’t remember the exact figure. Can explain the consistant votes for FDT irrespective of the national voting trends.
 
I remember reading somewhere that La Rioja has a substantial proportion of civil servants. Can’t remember the exact figure. Can explain the consistant votes for FDT irrespective of the national voting trends.

I've read the same, that many provinces like Santiago del Estero, Chaco, Formosa , 60 - 70% of the work force is employed by the government. I forget the exact numbers.

No sense in voting for an opposition party that may cut the government pay rolls if that's your livelihood.
 
The only thing that matters here is how poorly LLA did, I'm trying to extrapolate these provincial results to the rest of the nation. Their candidate for governor in La Rioja came in 3rd place with 15% of the vote. Can we expect Milei to receive a similar percentage of the vote in the PASO? I don't think he will receive any more than 30%, but even that is very dangerous. WHEN are JxC and FDT teaming up to end Milei??? JxC infighting needs to stop now... August is so close now.
 
Oh boy, this has gotten really interesting now. Comodoro Py, the federal Supreme court, has suspended the governor's race in two provinces for this coming Sunday the 14th.
 
Oh boy, this has gotten really interesting now. Comodoro Py, the federal Supreme court, has suspended the governor's race in two provinces for this coming Sunday the 14th.
There's going to be some fallout from that, the supreme court justices flip flop depending on what their side needs: https://www-infobae-com.translate.g...=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

As Alberto said: "Los jueces que aceptaron ser designados por decreto por Macri responden a sus órdenes". They've just confirmed everything he's ever accused them of. It was a shameless intervention by any standards, 5 days before the elections.

Need to buy popcorn...
 
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