- Aug 28, 2006
I'd be in for joining a "Defeat Hillary" club.
Can't stand that awful woman myself."Gearjammer" said:I'd be in for joining a "Defeat Hillary" club.
I'm ethnically North Indian, but let it pass."midlifebear" said:Gosh, and here I was under the illusion that ethnic Pakistanis from Great Britain and lolling about in the USA adored Senator Clinton.
Sexism may play a part, but it's not -- IMHO -- the major factor. Like Liebermann, it's difficult to distinguish her policies -- where she has any -- from the Republicans. For example, on Iraq, I've heard no pronouncements. As far as I know, her policy is to keep troops there. The problem is with the Democrats as a whole. As Nader said a few years ago, the Democratic Pary is gutless, spineless, and clueless. This applies with particular force to Kerry, Liebermann, and Clinton. If Liebermann were to change allegiance and join the Republicans, not only would no-one blink, no-one would even notice. The tacit message of the Democrats is, "Vote for us: we're ever the slightly lesser evil.""bjrutledge" said:As far as I can tell, Hillary Clinton has been a pretty good senator. I think the intense dislike of her masks sexism, conscious or not. Women are simply judged by different standards, and the idea of a female president makes a lot of people uncomfortable.
I am curious if any of the vehement Hillary-haters could suggest ANY female candidate that they would be willing to support.
I agree with the tenor of the rest of your post, so I've snipped it out. With regard to "Hanoi Jane," it's a different kettle of fish: she did a bunch of silly things in Viet Nam, and called US soldiers "war criminals" and "liars" (when they claimed to have been tortured). She's the classic example of a "limousine liberal" (or "champagne socialist," as we say on the other side of the Atlantic). Sexism is there, of course, but these other complicating factors muddy the waters a bit."bjrutledge" said:It's like the response to Jane Fonda. Why is she so passionately HATED for her political views? It is not because she stepped outside her defined role as a former/current actress (after all, a male actor even got to be President!). No male inspires the same vehemence from detractors as she does (not even Sean Penn after his trips abroad.