Recoleta . Zona Liberada - Entraderas

[HGQ2112]

I still get a kick out of the people that STILL try claiming that Buenos Aires is as safe as any large city in the USA.

And I am equally tired of those that ignore statistically accurate fact:

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/il/chicago/crime/#data
Chicago Annual Crimes (2011)
VIOLENT PROPERTY TOTAL
28,415 120,616 149,031
annual crimes per 1,000 residents
10.54 44.75 55.29

That, my friends, breaks down to approximately 78 violent crimes per day - murder, rape, assault, armed robbery and and 330 crimes against property per day, all in a city with less than 3 million population! Buenos Aires, at a population of 15.2 million, rounding to approximate numbers, would have to see approximately 390 violent crimes daily and 1,650 property crimes daily, just to equal Chicago numbers, per capita. Now, this is Chicago, which while still a violent city, and despite all those persistent images of the shoot 'em up 1930s gangster lifestyle, is no longer one of the USA top 10 most dangerous cities, per capita. But go on believing that all is fine in the good old USA. Like going from the frying pan, into the fire.

 

[PhilipDT]

And I am equally tired of those that ignore statistically accurate fact:

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/il/chicago/crime/#data
Chicago Annual Crimes (2011)
VIOLENT PROPERTY TOTAL
28,415 120,616 149,031
annual crimes per 1,000 residents
10.54 44.75 55.29

That, my friends, breaks down to approximately 78 violent crimes per day - murder, rape, assault, armed robbery and and 330 crimes against property per day, all in a city with less than 3 million population! Buenos Aires, at a population of 15.2 million, rounding to approximate numbers, would have to see approximately 390 violent crimes daily and 1,650 property crimes daily, just to equal Chicago numbers, per capita. Now, this is Chicago, which while still a violent city, and despite all those persistent images of the shoot 'em up 1930s gangster lifestyle, is no longer one of the USA top 10 most dangerous cities, per capita. But go on believing that all is fine in the good old USA. Like going from the frying pan, into the fire.

If buenos aires has 15 million, chicago has 10.

 

[cbonanni]

I quote the Chicago figures to my wife all the time. If every crime was reported in the press in the US , as it seems to be here , there would be no room in the papers for the comics !! ( or obituaries...)

Last I checked , Chicago was ahead of all of Argentina in murders by about 50 just this year.

 

[trennod]

And I am equally tired of those that ignore statistically accurate fact:

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/il/chicago/crime/#data
Chicago Annual Crimes (2011)
VIOLENT PROPERTY TOTAL
28,415 120,616 149,031
annual crimes per 1,000 residents
10.54 44.75 55.29

That, my friends, breaks down to approximately 78 violent crimes per day - murder, rape, assault, armed robbery and and 330 crimes against property per day, all in a city with less than 3 million population! Buenos Aires, at a population of 15.2 million, rounding to approximate numbers, would have to see approximately 390 violent crimes daily and 1,650 property crimes daily, just to equal Chicago numbers, per capita. Now, this is Chicago, which while still a violent city, and despite all those persistent images of the shoot 'em up 1930s gangster lifestyle, is no longer one of the USA top 10 most dangerous cities, per capita. But go on believing that all is fine in the good old USA. Like going from the frying pan, into the fire.

How many of these are gang related? How many of these occur in middle / upper class neighbourhoods? What about all the crimes that go unreported here?

I think the average Joe in Buenos Aires has a significantly higher chance of being the victim of crime than in the US.

 

[joeteixido]

If buenos aires has 15 million, chicago has 10.

...and those are REPORTED CRIMES... people here don't report sh*t. Probably because it is useless, or they are afraid of doing so and earning a re-visit from the thugs friends... How do we measure actually how many crimes BA has... honestly. And not only that, it is not a matter of counting violent crimes... but also what happends after it is reported. How many of those Chicago cases were prosecuted?.

Not 2 months ago a 7 y/o was found dead in a park near the place our cleaning lady lives (right outside the Gral Paz Ave). He was stabbed to death because they wanted to take his shoes he "resisted"... imagine that... a 7 y/o "resisting"... pfft it wasn't featured in ANY newspaper or TV channels. The kid family didn't want to press/cooperate with the Police because they are scared shitless of the older brothers of the attackers (all underage with criminal records according to her).

I can't imagine a 7 y/o being stabbed to death for resisting his sneakers from a 9 & 11 y/o thugs stateside. I refuse to believe that is the NORM in Chicago... and I don't think a crime like that would not be reported by the family... and/or prosecuted by the Police in at least some way. Stuff here just "happens" and nobody does sh*t.

 

[Johnny]

There's quite a bit of crime in Buenos Aires. There's quite a bit of crime in major cities in the states.

There. I hope that settles this same inane fucking argument that pops up all too often.

 

[allcraz]

I quote the Chicago figures to my wife all the time. If every crime was reported in the press in the US , as it seems to be here , there would be no room in the papers for the comics !! ( or obituaries...)

Last I checked , Chicago was ahead of all of Argentina in murders by about 50 just this year.

A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE HERE REPORT CRIME, so statistics comparing Chicago or any other city and BsAs DO NOT MATTER! Wake up people, it's true! Crime is reported in the States because the assumption is that the police will do something about it. It's the opposite here. Comparing crime stats is useless.

 

[che]

...7 y/o was found dead in a park near the place our cleaning lady lives (right outside the Gral Paz Ave). He was stabbed to death because they wanted to take his shoes he "resisted"...

If this 7 year old was "found" how do they know he resisted? When "they found" him was he wearing his shoes?

I can't imagine a 7 y/o being stabbed to death for resisting his sneakers from a 9 & 11 y/o thugs stateside. I refuse to believe that is the NORM in Chicago...

Just because you refuse to believe something doesn't make it not true.

In fact it is true Chicago and other places around the states are more dangerous than Iraq and Afghanistan. I certainly am not going to defend the crime in BsAs or anywhere but the facts point to many places in the US manifestly more violent than BsAs

Just to keep it real here's a sampling of some stateside violence from the front page today's papers;-)

NYC
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/..._after_stealing_hummer_pC92pvkJ0JNeWmmjP4ZwGL

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/cops_hunting_thugs_who_beat_worker_D1MuyV82stbcaBvGGy8GtK

Houston
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/video?clipId=7734560&autoStart=true

Miami
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/09/18/3008198/two-reportedly-shot-dead-in-little.html

DC (not reported in washington post)
http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/19568523/passenger-attacked-on-metro-train

Baltimore
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...db57ee-01e3-11e2-b260-32f4a8db9b7e_story.html

Orlando
(do you think this found woman resisted?)
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...bus-stop-20120918_1_ditch-school-bus-hemp-way

The world is a violent place.

 

[cbonanni]

Hard to NOT report murder..........Which is what I was referring to in comparing Chicago to Argentina. I never said crime is not a problem in Argentina. Also agree victims report less here. The media seems to report a lot of crime.

By the way , I am awake.

And please do not cap your letters as if you are yelling at me.

 

[joeteixido]

If this 7 year old was "found" how do they know he resisted? When "they found" him was he wearing his shoes?

Just because you refuse to believe something doesn't make it not true.

My bad. They found him in a park, halfway from school. Asking around the parents were told by other kids who the attackers were. Looks like these kids are known for getting high on glue at that park. Again, I don't see this picture of 9 and 11 getting high at a park being "normal" stateside.

You are right, but it works both ways. Wanting to believe something, and pulling every single stat, chart and newspaper print from around the world to justify what you want to believe won't make you any safer in BA.

None of that changes the fact that you got no reliable data to compare that to, other than just your "perception" that BA is safer because there are fewer reported crimes.