Refund Of Taxes?

[olejka2k]

Thanks a lot for this explanation syngirl. You are totally correct actually i was talking about Pension and retirement benefits and i understand that income tax is not refundable.
Actually all my papers are fine , i am working completely white and i can prove that i payed everything i needed to pay - no risks in that. I think the total amount should be around 10-12k pesos so i think it is worth it So at the bottomline what i should start with is going to AFIP and ask there that i want to return my Pension and retirement money i payed to this country ? Is there any special office for that or i should go to the one near Migraciones ?
Thanks for your answer, that helped a lot !

 

[BsAsFan]

There's a difference between taxes and retirement contributions. Income taxes you're probably not going to get back, and if you did, you'd immediately have to hand them over to the USofA. You need to find out if there is a tax agreement between the USA and Argentina -- someone on the board should know this and I know there have been NUMEROUS threads about US taxes. However your income tax is gone, you were resident here, so forget about it.

Pension and retirement benefits are separate. If you move to a country that has an agreement with Argentina, ie Spain, you can transfer these to that country. You don't get them back in your pocket, you just transfer them into the correlating program in that country. I know Spain has a programme with Argentina for doing this (my brother-in-law moved there and was able to take his pension/retirement contributions to their programme). I quite seriously doubt the USA has this, but again, you can find out. You need to find an accountant well versed in tax and pension funds -- and international funds. You will probably be best off contacting one of the big int'l accountancy firms -- ie Price Waterhouse Cooper, Deloitte, Ernst & Young who all have divisions here and in the USA and are probably more aware of what paperwork you will need. This could be quite expensive.

Most countries don't just give you back your income taxes when you leave. At the most if you're giving up residency you can get back your pension and retirement contributions. Being from Moldova you are I'm sure used to crazy government bureacracy. Trying to get your taxes back from Argentina is going to be an invite for the AFIP to examine all of your financials for the time you were here. You're going to have to go through his salary receipts and decide if this really is worth it. Also, there is absolutely no transparency from the government as to what is going on with the pension contributions, so what you see deducted from your salary receipt and what actually exists in the mythical account that the government supposedly has reserved just for you will not correlate whatsoever.

My understanding is that there is no tax agreement between the U.S. and Argentina. When I left Chile for the U.S. many years ago I was entitled to get my pension fund out as long as I showed the Chilean government that I had a pension fund where I would put the funds in the U.S. (e.g. social security). I'm afraid I don't know if a similar scenario exists in Argentina, but I highly doubt it. A good accountant well-versed in expat tax issues should be able to tell you. If you know any other expats working for large multi-nationals here they should know or at least point you to an accountant that does. Best of luck!

 

[Iznogud]

Definitely a total waste of time and resources. If you eventually get to the end of it -will likely take years - you will refunded enough money to feed pidgeons for half an hour, no more.

 

[ghost]

There's a difference between taxes and retirement contributions. Income taxes you're probably not going to get back, and if you did, you'd immediately have to hand them over to the USofA. You need to find out if there is a tax agreement between the USA and Argentina -- someone on the board should know this and I know there have been NUMEROUS threads about US taxes. However your income tax is gone, you were resident here, so forget about it.

Pension and retirement benefits are separate. If you move to a country that has an agreement with Argentina, ie Spain, you can transfer these to that country. You don't get them back in your pocket, you just transfer them into the correlating program in that country. I know Spain has a programme with Argentina for doing this (my brother-in-law moved there and was able to take his pension/retirement contributions to their programme). I quite seriously doubt the USA has this, but again, you can find out. You need to find an accountant well versed in tax and pension funds -- and international funds. You will probably be best off contacting one of the big int'l accountancy firms -- ie Price Waterhouse Cooper, Deloitte, Ernst & Young who all have divisions here and in the USA and are probably more aware of what paperwork you will need. This could be quite expensive.

Most countries don't just give you back your income taxes when you leave. At the most if you're giving up residency you can get back your pension and retirement contributions. Being from Moldova you are I'm sure used to crazy government bureacracy. Trying to get your taxes back from Argentina is going to be an invite for the AFIP to examine all of your financials for the time you were here. You're going to have to go through his salary receipts and decide if this really is worth it. Also, there is absolutely no transparency from the government as to what is going on with the pension contributions, so what you see deducted from your salary receipt and what actually exists in the mythical account that the government supposedly has reserved just for you will not correlate whatsoever.

And yes, sure uh, huh. What did I say? There are several treaties regarding these things between USA and AR. As far as Moldova with having similar treaties...............................I have no clue. If it makes you feel good, go ahead and fight the fight. It's only been 13 years that nations have been trying to collect so you might prevail at about the time that the sun goes to red giant.

 

[jez]

Am I right in thinking that if you spend more than 6 months in Argentina you are seen a resident (especially if you were working here 'en blanco')..? and all residents have to pay Bienes Personales on their worldwide assets.... so any dealings with AFIP could be 'opening huge can of worms' based on the fact that I assume you won't have declared or paid your Bienes Personales - assuming you have more than AR$305,000 of 'Bienes' in the world - that's US$ 49,000 based on todays official rate...