Santa Cruz Phantom Company?

[sleslie23]

I was going to respond to Matias, but I knew I should just wait and let Magico do it better.

 

[syngirl]

Personally I can't get too excited about Boudou's 1992 car fraud, not a big deal, but there's more pending...

The car fraud is just a tool to get Boudou into an official denuncio, they just need something concrete that they can use to go ahead with a juicio politico.

I'm enjoying reading your responses to Matias, you'll find it is very frustrating work however. He is convinced of his ideas and will not be swayed.

 

[ariel81]

The car fraud is just a tool to get Boudou into an official denuncio, they just need something concrete that they can use to go ahead with a juicio politico.

I'm enjoying reading your responses to Matias, you'll find it is very frustrating work however. He is convinced of his ideas and will not be swayed.

I also conviced again the kris regime,and i´m a 100% argentinean.

 

[dennisr]

"......journalists question power, we don’t believe anyone, and we’re a kind of antibody for society. To question is to disobey; our profession is about disobeying; that’s the point. You have a subject and you question it. You ask it: Are you what you say you are? You doubt it, because doubting is the essence of our profession. I have fought with all the presidents of Argentina, and that’s okay because that’s my job. That’s the way it is, and depending on the level you want to get to, that’s how you build your career. When people realize that you fight with everyone then they understand that you don’t work for anyone; you work for the people and this makes you trustworthy. That’s the history of our profession."

http://thecija.org/blog/2014/11/08/jorge-lanata-journalism-has-to-do-with-disobedience/

 

[TWB103]

MatiasBA

You need higher standards. Political systems and big business are inextricably entwined. Anywhere in the world.

If Clarin only tells lies about CFK then WHY DOESNT SHE SUE THE CLARIN GROUP on multiple counts!!!!

And she has the upper hand on the Judicial system at the moment and majority in congress!!

If accussations cant be proved she wins a battle of the century over her arch nemesis she wins money in damages and donates to good causes = gazillion more votes

But she doesnt. Why not?

 

[Dublin2BuenosAires]

He won't answer, he's not much of a fan of inconvenient rebuttals. He'll re-appear in a week or so with more polemic.

 

[Gringoboy]

Of course, we all live in the hope that somehow this whole Ruta K matter will bite her and others in the rear and expose them/her for what they really are.
Or am I living on Mars?

 

[Matiasba]

As I repeated many, many, many times here, I think that the Ks are thieves, are corrupted, there is a lot of corruption in this government, not doubt about that. The problem is that is not that corruption Lanata talks about. Its not Lazaro Baez, or Antonini Wilson, or the Boudou gate. Thats all ridicously short amount of money, that is some dimes compared to the corruption that rules this country.


The problem is that you hear from Clarin only corruption from politicians, public corruption, when we have an incredibly big amount of money with private corruption (sooooooooo much bigger than public corruption). But those companies have agreeements with the big newspapers so you wont listen or read a single word agaisnt them. Again: private corruption is a lot bigger than public corruption. It happens every ten years, the bigger companies here, instead of reinvesting their money here, they take it away, capital flights, that provokes more inflation, the dollar up, etc, etc,. They dont believe in this country. But they didnt also with a friendly government with 0% inflation like Menem. Those are the direct risponsables of corralito and 2001 crisis, those are the people that rule this country.

BTW, Public coruption we have it everywhere world wide, its not something unique of this government, we have had it worst in the governments before and will have it in the next government.


Jajajaja, if you are not already a top political satirist Matias I strongly urge you seek employment in that area. I love your latest script:

1. The President steals, but only a little bit that we have an idea of. Leave her alone, no way she'd be stealing more than that.

2. Presidential corruption is bad, but only alleged. Look, look, here is a list of conveniently anti-government companies (none of whom were elected or claims to represent 40million Argentines!) who we allege are corrupt. Proof? Don't need it. Just go with it.

To quantify Presidential corruption against private corruption (more on that later) you have to acknowledge it exists, which you seem incredibly to be ok with. What poor standards you have! A moral compass of convenience if ever I saw one. By admitting Presidential corruption exists, even by your low ball estimates, don't you feel that should be the end of the government? Personally I can't get too excited about Boudou's 1992 car fraud, not a big deal, but there's more pending...

Private corruption, what is that exactly? It can only be corporate malpractice or operating outside of the govt granted charter? False accounting or something anti-regulatory like price fixing. If it happens why aren't the govt capable of regulating it? Why aren't they capable of generating the legally mandated amount of tax revenue? If there are problems with corporate governance and monopolies why are the government doing anything about it?

Are they failing by your own measure? Sounds like it, but sure, this is Argentina where the government can only define itself by what it is not.

If there are corporations out there breaking laws, illegal monopolies etc, I'd be surprised if politicians of every hue and creed aren't up to their oxters in it. I don't accept for one second that FpV = white as the driven snow, the rest = corporations and corrupt. I don't need to do it for you, but I am certain you have seen the list of K aligned businesses who profit from their patronage (matronage?).

Apologies if I have misunderstood a serious political point as satire, if so, you should be writing the Argentine version of the Daily Show.

Private corruption is huge in this country, the proof is the money argentinians have outside the country, 50 billion in 1989, 400 billion today. It happens every ten years, they avoid paying taxes and they take the money they make here outside. With that entrepreneur class this country can not grow.
And I agree private corruption and monopolies are a matter the government must solve, but then not come with the "this is a dictatorship" speech, like it happened with the ley de abastecimiento.

This country is corrupted, everyone is corrupted, the problem is that to Clarin & La Nacion, corruption is only a patrimony of the politicians... they never published the lists of these people.

 

[Matiasba]

MatiasBA

You need higher standards. Political systems and big business are inextricably entwined. Anywhere in the world.

If Clarin only tells lies about CFK then WHY DOESNT SHE SUE THE CLARIN GROUP on multiple counts!!!!

And she has the upper hand on the Judicial system at the moment and majority in congress!!

If accussations cant be proved she wins a battle of the century over her arch nemesis she wins money in damages and donates to good causes = gazillion more votes

But she doesnt. Why not?

you think the Clarin government fight would be solved by a trial? Imagine what the one that looses can do to the judge, think there are not imaprtial judge!
It is absurd, Clarin has judges, the government has jugdes, both have political power, both have access to rules from judges, who would determine the judge? do you think any of the parts woudl accept the veredict?

 

[Dublin2BuenosAires]

Private corruption is huge in this country, the proof is the money argentinians have outside the country, 50 billion in 1989, 400 billion today. It happens every ten years, they avoid paying taxes and they take the money they make here outside. With that entrepreneur class this country can not grow.
And I agree private corruption and monopolies are a matter the government must solve, but then not come with the "this is a dictatorship" speech, like it happened with the ley de abastecimiento.

This country is corrupted, everyone is corrupted, the problem is that to Clarin & La Nacion, corruption is only a patrimony of the politicians... they never published the lists of these people.

Ley de abastecimiento is a supply chain control measure and nothing to do with private corruption.

So after 11 years the govt hasn't solved the problem of monopolies, great. Time for a change I'd say.

Again, you have dodged all the relevant questions. Well played. A corrupt company should be charged in accordance with the law. A corrupt govt should be kicked out of parliament.