So much for herd immunity?

This is probably a good time to reiterate that China is about to build a bunch of pig farms in Argentina.
And for good reason, they aren't having much luck rebuilding their herds. Should mention it was WWI soldiers returning that spread the pandemic in 1918 in the U.S., not WWII soldiets.
 
And for good reason, they aren't having much luck rebuilding their herds. Should mention it was WWI soldiers returning that spread the pandemic in 1918 in the U.S., not WWII soldiets.
I believe it was the other way round. The 1918 flu was first detected in Kansas in January 1918, and again at a nearby army base in March, from where soldiers took it to New York and then on to the Western Front in Europe.

At least that is what Wikepedia says. A Stanford article says the second wave of the virus came to the US with returning troops in late 1918.
 
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I believe it was the other way round. The 1918 flu was first detected in Kansas in January 1918, and again at a nearby army base in March, from where soldiers took it to New York and then on to the Western Front in Europe.

At least that is what Wikepedia says. A Stanford article says the second wave of the virus came to the US with returning troops in late 1918.
From what I read it originated in China, spread to Europe during WWI, was so bad in Spain it was called the Spanish Flu, infected and killed a lot of soldiers, and soldiers brought it back with them and due to them being in barracks together in places like Ft. Riley, KS then released to go home it spread all over the U.S. One in three in the entire world were infected.
 
Don't forget that the US only entered the war in mid 1917, and most US troops did not arrive on the Western Front until summer 1918. Apparently (again, citing Wikipedia--not the strongest source i'll admit, but the entry does cite scholarly works), 110,000 American soldiers died in that war, 45,000 of those were victims of the Spanish Flu, but 30,000 (of the 45,000) died in the US in training camps before even setting sail for Europe.
 
Don't forget that the US only entered the war in mid 1917, and most US troops did not arrive on the Western Front until summer 1918. Apparently (again, citing Wikipedia--not the strongest source i'll admit, but the entry does cite scholarly works), 110,000 American soldiers died in that war, 45,000 of those were victims of the Spanish Flu, but 30,000 (of the 45,000) died in the US in training camps before even setting sail for Europe.
The virus definitely did not start in the U.S. although Wikipedia being open sourced I can guess why some would say it that way.
 
From what I read it originated in China, spread to Europe during WWI, was so bad in Spain it was called the Spanish Flu, infected and killed a lot of soldiers, and soldiers brought it back with them and due to them being in barracks together in places like Ft. Riley, KS then released to go home it spread all over the U.S. One in three in the entire world were infected.

The virus definitely did not start in the U.S. although Wikipedia being open sourced I can guess why some would say it that way.

Actually, it's called the Spanish Flu not because it was particularly bad in Spain, nor because it started there. But because Spain did not participate in the War, hence its media were free to report on the pandemic, elsewhere in the West, the Ministries of Public Propaganda censored media in order not to damage moral during the war. Because Spanish media were the first to report on the flu it was dubbed "Spanish".

The origin of the Spanish flu within the US is actually quite likely. It's one of the leading theories. It's possible that the virus originated in China and then mutated to what we now call the Spanish flu in a Kansas pig farm, spreading to the east coast and from there to Western Europe with the US soldiers.
 
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Actually, it's called the Spanish Flu not because it was particularly bad in Spain, nor because it started there. But because Spain did not participate in the War, hence its media were free to report on the pandemic, elsewhere in the West, the Ministries of Public Propaganda censored media in order not to damage moral during the war. Because Spanish media were the first to report on the flu it was dubbed "Spanish".

The origin of the Spanish flu within the US is actually quite likely. It's one of the leading theories. It's possible that the virus originated in China and then mutated to what we now call the Spanish flu in a Kansas pig farm, spreading to the east coast and from there to Western Europe with the US soldiers.
Just perusing some websites on Google. One theory is that it spread from Chinese or Vietnamese migrant workers in the U.S. or France. Since it killed 50 million plus worldwide but only 675,000 in the U.S. I doubt the U.S. was the origin of the virus. As virulent as it was it certainly would have killed more in the U.S. if started there.
 
Just perusing some websites on Google. One theory is that it spread from Chinese or Vietnamese migrant workers in the U.S. or France. Since it killed 50 million plus worldwide but only 675,000 in the U.S. I doubt the U.S. was the origin of the virus. As virulent as it was it certainly would have killed more in the U.S. if started there.

Covid-19 has killed more people in the US and Brazil than in China (the source country). So your point doesn’t hold I am afraid.
 
Covid-19 has killed more people in the US and Brazil than in China (the source country). So your point doesn’t hold I am afraid.
If you believe the Chinese. I saw estimates from about a month ago that more than 600,000 have died in China. One funeral home had ordered over 5000 urns alone and others wouldn't say. Well after the Chinese said it was over they had another shutdown and yet mysteriously very few new deaths were reported. But let's not get caught in the weeds. Point is that there have been numerous pandemics in history and they all ended eventually. Covid-19 isn't the new normal with everything having to change from here on. That's politicians trying to take advantage.
 
If you believe the Chinese. I saw estimates from about a month ago that more than 600,000 have died in China. One funeral home had ordered over 5000 urns alone and others wouldn't say. Well after the Chinese said it was over they had another shutdown and yet mysteriously very few new deaths were reported. But let's not get caught in the weeds. Point is that there have been numerous pandemics in history and they all ended eventually. Covid-19 isn't the new normal with everything having to change from here on. That's politicians trying to take advantage.
I don't believe the Chinese data obviously. Their numbers are artificially lower BUT no where nearly as high as you suggest. The city, the center of the epidemic in China, is completely open now, all activities are allowed.For NOW things are under control.

We know that his pandemic will end eventually. So? In the meantime we need to be responsible. NO need for a one-size fits all quarantines (like in Argentina) or total lockdowns but social distancing, using mask and washing hands -- just common sense.
 
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