So, whats next?

[AlexanderB]

Everyone's got their reasons. I don't feel comfortable sharing mine but like I said, everyone's got their reasons for being here.

The four things you mentioned are not all life's about (unless of course you expand on those four, then we've got a separate thread and a discussion). .

You're right. My message wasn't spoken to those that have somewhat ulterior reasons for being in Argentina, but I didn't say that. Sorry, I was projecting.

 

[Thereandbackagain]

Just a quick update: I am currently in Berlin as a ultimate check before moving and all I can say is: I AM AMAZED! Price of Food is maybe a third of BA. Amazing variety of everything. 50 MB Internet connections for 40 €. Off course I forgot m Prescription Med in BsAs, so the first day I had to go to a public hospital: after 20 min I had my meds and they didn`t wanted to charge me anything (just for the meds later in the Pharmacy).

It is amazing how clean and fast everything is. I almost forgot the meaning of the words efficiency and logic

Will post more soon...

 

[French jurist]

Just a quick update: I am currently in Berlin as a ultimate check before moving and all I can say is: I AM AMAZED! Price of Food is maybe a third of BA. Amazing variety of everything. 50 MB Internet connections for 40 €. Off course I forgot m Prescription Med in BsAs, so the first day I had to go to a public hospital: after 20 min I had my meds and they didn`t wanted to charge me anything (just for the meds later in the Pharmacy).

It is amazing how clean and fast everything is. I almost forgot the meaning of the words efficiency and logic

Will post more soon...

Watch out who is your neighbour in Berlin's Internet cafes...

 

[chris]

So you followed the advice I gave you in January!

 

[toongeorges]

Seriously why ANYONE would recommend Europe (especially now) is beyond reason. Spain, Italy, Greece, etc are all bankrupt and going down the crapper.

There is a Europe beyond Greece and Spain you know and actually things in Europe without Greece or Spain or Portugal are not going so bad. It gets tiring to hear from people who have no clue about the situation in Europe that Europe is on the brink of collapse over and over again. That is simply not true. Greece is on the brink of collapse, but otherwise Europe is not doing great, but not doing bad either and certainly doing much better than Argentina.

 

[toongeorges]

IT WILL BE AFTER IT BAILS OUT GREECE....AGAIN. Wake up. Read the news once in awhile...The EU is over.

Actually the feeling (among people and politicians) in Europe without Greece is that we are tired of Greece and if Greece does not pay off its renegotiated debt as foreseen, we will not give them another euro and take our losses. European banks have had the time to write off their Greek bond holdings.

In Greece however, there are people who think they are entitled to receive and spend other people's money without having to give anything back. Let's see on June 17 if Greece wants to become like Argentina.

 

[toongeorges]

Anyone recommending Europe to live now is like telling people to immigrate to a new land before the great depression . Europe will collapse like a pack of cards soon and as soon as this happens Latin America will be like the last frontier for those lucky enough to get out of Europe with their shirts intact and their savings unfrozen by the worsening crisis.

As much as I find Argentina expasperating to live in I would never emigrate from here in a fit now . Wait until 2013 and the picture will be much clearer but I warn those who are planning to move to Europe DO NOT DO IT !

There is a debt problem in the first world, but whereas Europe is on track to get budget surplusses in a couple of years, the US keeps being in denial with 10% budget deficits accumulating a debt only seen during WWII. With all this spending, the economic growth in the US is barely higher than in Europe, but of course, the Keynesian academics know that Europe is the problem. Or as we say in the industry, those who can't do teach.

 

[nicoenarg]

Europe's certainly got its problems and anyone who denies that is not well informed of the economic situation there.

BUT is the whole continent on the verge of collapse? Well, it is if you are a news agency and desperate to sell your news to the masses. But in reality, Europe is not on the verge of collapse.

Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal are in bad shape but out of these, we only know Greece to be on the verge of collapse for sure. The rest of the countries can still recover.

Theoretically, if Europe was to collapse, that would be bad for everyone (including you Argentina lovers). That is another reason that Europe is not going to collapse. Even if you apply some form of Keynesian economics to it (or whichever Economics model you think you don't like).

China needs trade with Europe, the US needs trade with Europe, India needs trade with Europe, and I know some don't like to hear it but Argentina (and the rest of Latin America) needs trade with Europe too. The world as we know it now is so intertwined economically that you will not and can not see a collapse.

And if somewhere you do see a system crashing (2008), its bad for the whole world and the whole world knows it, except for some people on this forum apparently.

 

[nicoenarg]

Actually the feeling (among people and politicians) in Europe without Greece is that we are tired of Greece and if Greece does not pay off its renegotiated debt as foreseen, we will not give them another euro and take our losses. European banks have had the time to write off their Greek bond holdings.

In Greece however, there are people who think they are entitled to receive and spend other people's money without having to give anything back. Let's see on June 17 if Greece wants to become like Argentina.

Greece is "Argentina in Europe". They screw up their economy and then whine about it and blame others.

 

[nicoenarg]

Europe's certainly got its problems and anyone who denies that is not well informed of the economic situation there.

BUT is the whole continent on the verge of collapse? Well, it is if you are a news agency and desperate to sell your news to the masses. But in reality, Europe is not on the verge of collapse.

Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal are in bad shape but out of these, we only know Greece to be on the verge of collapse for sure. The rest of the countries can still recover.

Theoretically, if Europe was to collapse, that would be bad for everyone (including you Argentina lovers). That is another reason that Europe is not going to collapse. Even if you apply some form of Keynesian economics to it (or whichever Economics model you think you don't like).

China needs trade with Europe, the US needs trade with Europe, India needs trade with Europe, and I know some don't like to hear it but Argentina (and the rest of Latin America) needs trade with Europe too. The world as we know it now is so intertwined economically that you will not and can not see a collapse.

And if somewhere you do see a system crashing (2008), its bad for the whole world and the whole world knows it, except for some people on this forum apparently.

Just want to add that accordingly, the world does not NEED trade with Argentina per se. And same thing with Greece (what do they produce anyway? Or how much do they buy?). This is simple math people. The bigger economies of Europe (the UK, Germany, Italy, France...) can take the whole world down with them. Argentina and Greece on the other hand are merely a blip.