SpaceX Dragon Docking w Space Station Live Now

At a press conference in the 90s Menem announced a proposal for a new Argentine space mission. ¨We are going to send a rocket to the sun,¨ he stated with enthusiasm.

Um, ¨but Mr. President,¨asked a foreign reporter at the press conference, ¨won´t such a rocket just burn up?¨

¨You foreigners all think we Argentines are stupid,¨ Menem retorted derisively.

¨We are going to launch the rocket at night!
 
Hot damn! I missed the live feed, going to have to find some recordings of it.

I've been so busy the last couple of years that I've only been following cursorily SpaceX's exploits. I'd heard about Dragon but didn't realize that they were going for an orbital docking mission already.

This is excellent news!

In my opinion, it's one of the few things Obama did good, was cancelling the shuttle program. While it's nice to think that the US could be a world leader in space, government just can't do it as well as private enterprise can, at least not the way the US was doing it.

I remember Hilton saying they would build a space hotel when the price per pound to orbit got low enough...maybe in another 15 years? I'd give my left...well, I'd give an awful lot to have a vacation in space before I die... :)
 
Government must initiate, pioneer and nurture such programs until private industry can grasp the technology and build on the pioneering effort. Once the technology becomes well document then business can monetize the function and take it to the next generation.
It took about 55 years of governmental investment and pioneering to bring us to the point of commercialization. [and get beyond the military aspects of SPACE?]
The internet was a hell of allot easier, cheaper and faster [and less risky]
 
I agree with that to an extent. One unfortunate thing that NASA and the US government did in the 60s, 70s and 80s was to restrict the private market's entry into space, relegating it defense and NASA production. Mostly in a fear of having private enterprise gaining access to space and possibly ruling the world.

Imagine someone with the power to move asteroids and make them fall on earth. It's very difficult to get out the gravity well, but once you're out, it's real easy to drop things into it.

Also, with the fear of the Cold War, space was filled with all kinds of military hardware and the economic benefits that could come from civilian industry were non-existent, being usurped completely by NASA, who controlled access to space either through hardware or contracts and regulations.

Also, the government couldn't have developed a worse mechanism for space access than the shuttle. Too expensive, too complex, and too finicky. The acceptance of the space shuttle was won on political merits, not engineering.

Also look at the Delta Clipper program. McDonnell Douglas was trying to build an experimental vertical takeoff, vertical landing rocket that would be able to land at airports, have a minimal turn-around time and minimal crew compared to something like the space shuttle. NASA wasn't interested enough and budgets weren't available to keep it going. One problem with a two-thirds scale model and the program was shut down.

Also, look at how we "raced to space" in the 60s. We wasted an incredible amount of money just to beat the Russians into space. What did it get us? Nothing. We couldn't return to the Moon today if we had to without spending a lot more money. The scientists and engineers in the program wanted to take it more slowly, build up orbital assets and make a controlled progress to get to the moon so we could stay. We missed a huge bet by allowing politics to control the space industry at that time.

In my opinion, they should have done what NASA is doing now. Have programs that stimulate the reward to develop private access and industry in space. That's one of the things SpaceX has taken advatnage of, one of the prizes, if I recall correctly, went to SpaceX for achieving an altitude of 60 miles, for a prize of $10M.

NASA actually has programs now giving awards to private enterprise who can do things like create a cable capable of stretching down fomr orbit and allowing an elevator to ride the cable into orbit. May sound far-fetched, but with new materials and engineering available nowadays, it's more a matter of engineering and science than fantasy...NASA would never have been able to do something like that under the auspices of government.
 
I really doubt SpaceX Dragon can financially compete against the workhorses Soyuz/Progress. Probably the US govt will end up paying a whole lot more money for a seat to the ISS - just to stop the humilliation of begging the Russians for a ride.

Soyuz has also the best reliability in the World - would like to see if SpaceX Dragon can match that.
 
I've read elsewhere that the Race to the moon created a crazy number of jobs, lots of technology we use currently everyday and was actually very good for the economy of the states at the time.

I do think that a public / private enterprise is the way forwards with space exploration though.

This is an "amusing" idea on the future of space exploration.

There's also google's plans to mine asteroids.
 
The space program was certainly good for the US economy in certain places. Houston, my home town, benefited. But it was temporary. A lot of scientists and engineers lost their jobs. It could have been sustainable rather than a short-lived phenomenon if they had taken a serious approach instead of just a stunt to put some guys on the moon.

There were certainly then, and have been since, many commercial applications come out of the space program. I'm not completely knocking it. But as far as doing something permanent, we missed a bet and an even bigger boost to the economy over a longer term by doing a stunt instead of serious planning and making it a permanent fixture of a real space-based economy.

Hell, I remember watching Neil Armstrong step onto the moon in '69. I was almost 6 years old. It is one of my most vivid childhood memories. The TV was in black and white...but I was right there with him.

A trip to Mars right now is another stunt, in my opinion. It's certainly feasible and not too expensive overall if done by private enterprise. Personally, I think we should wait until we establish a base of support at least around the Earth, and preferably with support from the moon or a small asteroid or two parked around the moon. It would make it cheaper and easier to get there, as well as give us the ability to establish and supply something more permanent on Mars.

But there's not much of an economic reason to go there yet. Build up a space industry that makes a trip like that cheap and suddenly it makes it a lot easier to swallow a scientific mission to Mars.

The idea to mine asteroids is an excellent one. The article is a bit overly unfair on the cost and possible return on such a venture, pointing out the costs of high-priced scientific missions that brought back small amounts of samples from the moon and asteroids, making the price per gram look extraordinarily high for something that wasn't sought after for profit.

Of course that's true as far as it goes. But it didn't quite talk too much about the benefits and the fact that even the first venture would bring back more valuable metals than we produce in a year on Earth, not a few grams of samples, not tying the two different thoughts together to make it look more reasonable. It will still take a long time to pay off the investment, but it will create a new age, and they will be there first.

We could completely replace the mining and refinement of raw materials on Earth, and the production of a completely new species of technology by manufacturing in micro gravity environments.

The article barely mentioned that the idea of the project is to build an infrastructure, at least partially, out of the raw materials they collect. They can package enough to drop back to earth, to be retrieved in the ocean and sold to help cover additional costs of building infrastructure. Yeah, it will probably depress prices of certain items to an extent. But I think even in the short term it would stimulate others as prices to manufacture really cool stuff becomes real cheap because those raw materials have become so cheap.

Space is the next step, and it's coming. Private enterprise is now seriously looking at doing these things. A number of countries have serious space programs and other companies around the world too. There was the industrial revolution, the information revolution, now here comes the next one.

If I had Bill Gate's money, we'd already be there ;)
 
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