Taking Argentine Wife For Uk Visit

[camberiu]

It can be done, but requires total dedication on the non UK citizen over about three years.

Other than the already mentioned income requirements , what else would it be needed from a legally married couple that would take total dedication and three years?

 

[TWB103]

As a non EU spouse you can bypass the fascist UK gov's requirements by living in a EU country for 3 months or more before rocking up to the UK. Its called the Surinder Singh route.

 

[Girino]

The bottom line here is that if you marry an Argentine woman or any other person from outside the EU, it's a very difficult task for the both of you to settle in the UK together.
It can be done, but requires total dedication on the non UK citizen over about three years.

Though I believe Italy has the most lax immigration policy ever, and it makes me angry that my home country gives out citizenship easier than residency, when I read about posts like the OP's I still prefer Italy's policy than the UK or US immigration policy. And you know why? Because the only people they are stopping from immigrating are the honest ones, those who are looking to move there no-matter-what will find a way, eventually.

I think the principle of the good faith is as important as the one that says "innocent until proven otherwise", but I see that they are often forgotten in the so called "more advanced" countries of the world.

 

[camberiu]

I still prefer Italy's policy than the UK or US immigration policy.

I used to despise the US immigration policy, until I learned from these posts how it works in the UK. Talk about draconian/xenophobic 1984 style rules. And they want to bar Donald Trump from entering the UK? They should be embracing the guy instead, since they all seem to be on the same page in regards of immigration.

There is a LOT to criticize about Argentina, but in terms of immigration policy, they make the UK look like some kafkaesque dystopic nightmare .


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[joeschmoe1920]

Serafina, you won a US green card in a lottery, did you not? I don't know what that says about US immigration policy, but I would have expected you to be more appreciative of it as a direct beneficiary. But this is neither here nor there, much like a lot of this thread.

Several posters seem to believe that non-citizens have a natural right to walk into foreign countries whenever and however they please. This is not the case and if you believe it is, you're only setting yourself up for disappointment. Unless you're a returning citizen, crossing the border of your destination country is a privilege granted to you (or not) under the laws of the land. Discussing the merits of these laws is a different topic, but I note that the UK is not lacking in tourists, however Draconian its immigration rules and practices may be deemed by some here. In 2015, London was the world's most popular tourist destination. 19 million visitors apparently managed to get in legally.

There is no presumption of innocence at the border. In fact, in the US and the UK, the presumption will be that you intend to move there (as millions do) unless you can prove otherwise. You may not like it, but this is how it is and visitors ignore this reality at their peril. If you are not willing or able to play by the rules, or can't convince a border officer that you'll leave soon, you can always stay in Argentina or visit Italy, which appears to be more permissive, much to the chagrin of other Schengen countries.

 

[Girino]

Serafina, you won a US green card in a lottery, did you not? I don't know what that says about US immigration policy, but I would have expected you to be more appreciative of it as a direct beneficiary. But this is neither here nor there, much like a lot of this thread.

I decided to resign it because I don't even dare to go on holiday in the US with my now husband because chances are he will be denied entry since he has a permanent resident wife and lacks of all the paperworks others have suggested to bring to demonstrate your non-immigrating intent.
To sponsor the spouse of a permanent resident there is a 1.5-2 year wait, which we would have to spend apart. On immihelp there is plenty of people who did it, but if you ask me what would be better - 2 years of my life with my husband or to sponsor him... well, I still take the time together over the bureaucracy.
To me, demanding two partners to be separated for two years is simply ridiculous. Part of the reason we didn't move to the US is because we don't agree with the laws and rules over there (especially about health care, firearms, etc.) - this being one of them.

I am all about enforcement of the law, but when you read topics like "I am Ux citizen and I want to bring my girlfriend to meet my family back home, but I can't" it just highlight the unfairness of these laws. All it takes is an European passport and the same person, engaged to the same Ux citizen, can enter the Ux, no questions asked. How so? Does it really take a piece of paper to define a person?

I think this topic just proves that the 'lax' immigration attitude of certain countries has allowed people to live together and I fully understand the poster who reported choosing to live in Argentina because his partner was "not welcomed" in the UK. I would do the same.

 

[mc kenna]

It is understandable for some people not familiar with the culture here, Argentina by no means is a welcoming country, just happens that the immigrations officers don't care about doing thier jobs and can be misunderstood as a ''lax'' or welcoming attitude, i have stories at immigrations in Argentina that will make you cry.

 

[Tilda]

I'm probably going to Sweden in July with my husband and three kids. The kids I'm not worried about, two have Swedish citizenship and the third is entitled to it by birthright but we haven't applied for it yet.
My husband has Italian citizenship but doesn't have a valid passport, so he will have to travel on his Argentine passport. This thread makes me worried although he has had permanent residence in Sweden we don't have any proof of that at the EU border.
Does what I read here mean that I should look for a flight through Italy or Spain instead of England? Or is it enough to bring proof of employment, ownership of property and so on? What are your thoughts?

 

[camberiu]

Several posters seem to believe that non-citizens have a natural right to walk into foreign countries whenever and however they please.

Strawman much, bro?
It is not unreasonable for a citizen of a country to expect that once all proof of a legitimate/lawful marriage is presented, that he/she will have no problem bringing in his/her spouse and children to live with him without impediment.
If you find it normal/acceptable that some f...ing bureaucrat with a pen shoved deep into his butt has the right to deny you to bring your wife and children to live you, you are eyeballs deep into 1984 style submission, my friend.
And if that is the case, I cannot help but wonder what was NATO for, if you are so willing to live under a USSR "lite" style society.

 

[Dada]

I'm probably going to Sweden in July with my husband and three kids. The kids I'm not worried about, two have Swedish citizenship and the third is entitled to it by birthright but we haven't applied for it yet.
My husband has Italian citizenship but doesn't have a valid passport, so he will have to travel on his Argentine passport. This thread makes me worried although he has had permanent residence in Sweden we don't have any proof of that at the EU border.
Does what I read here mean that I should look for a flight through Italy or Spain instead of England? Or is it enough to bring proof of employment, ownership of property and so on? What are your thoughts?

Tilda, you don't necessarily have to go through any other EU border control than the Swedish one. Unless your connecting flight is from a different airport or terminal, you can just wait inside the passenger zone. For example in Rome it works like that. Not sure about London. But you should be alright, you guys are married. I don't even think you'll need all those documents, but of course, if they make you feel safer, why not.