Now we are making some progress.
1.You admit that in Islamic society non-muslims must live in dhimmitude as second class citizens.
2.You admit 2.5 million persons were slaughtered, but argue the genocide of the Armenians and other Christians by the Ottoman empire was ethnic, not religious. A subtle distinction, but probably erroneous. In 1914, as the Ottoman Empire entered World War I on the side of the central powers, an official anti-Christian jihad was proclaimed. In his book on this subject, Perter Balakian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Balakian) states:
To promote the idea of jihad, the sheikh-ul-Islam's {the most senior religious leader in the Ottoman Empire} published proclamation summoned the Muslim world to arise and massacre its Christian oppressors. "Oh Moslems," the document read, "Ye who are smitten with happiness and are on the verge of sacrificing your life and your good for the cause of right, and of braving perils, gather now around the Imperial throne." In the Ikdam, the Turkish newspaper that had just passed into German ownership, the idea of jihad was underscored: "The deeds of our enemies have brought down the wrath of God. A gleam of hope has appeared. All Mohammedans, young and old, men, women, and children must fulfill their duty. ... If we do it, the deliverance of the subjected Mohammedan kingdoms is assured." ... "He who kills even one unbeliever," one pamphlet read, "of those who rule over us, whether he does it secretly or openly, shall be rewarded by God." (quoted in Balakian, The Burning Tigris, 169-70.)
3. Zionist propaganda? What is ? The words of the Quran? I don't get it. Can you clarify exactly what is the Zionist propaganda? Do you accuse me of misquoting the Quran? Irrelevant Suras? Tell that to ANY Muslim. See if he agrees these words are irrelevant. If you lived in the mideast, you realize that you have blasphemed and that you could be killed for merely uttering these words in Saudi Arabia, Iran and possibly Pakistan. And in any state that is established by Hamas or Hezbollah. That is not propaganda . It is simply the truth. Do you disagree?
You state Iraq and Afghanistan didn't invade the USA. Duh? DId I say otherwise? You want to put words in my mouth and then prove me wrong? By the way, if the Taliban government gave aide and support to Al Qaida, then they are co conspirators in the 9/11 attack. As such they declared war on the US. The US invasion of Iraq was wrong from any perspective. It was most likely to gain control of Iraqi oil reserves with perhaps psychological ( revenge for daddy) and religious motives of Bush (god wants me to do it).
4. What is all this business about Zionist neo-con? If by Zionist you mean one who supports the independent state of Israel as a homeland for Jewish people I plead guilty. You really like the word, "neo-con." How do you define it? What are the elements of the neocon philosophy I have demonstrated. I am aginst American intervention in the mideast except in the defense of Israel. In my opinion the US ought to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan asap. Let the Shia and Sunni sort out their own damn problems. Lord knows they have been at each others throats since the 7th century. Does that make me a neo-con?
5. I have no desire to spend any more time in the mideast. Nor do I think it is required for me to do so in order to have insight into the Islamic code of ethics or history of the region. It is encouraging to hear you denigrate the Quran. Just don't do it in a number of mideast countries if you cherish your freedom. I trust you don't dispute that. Where have I misstated historical facts? My argument is with the role of Islam in the problems facing the region. It is central to understanding the Israeli conflict with Islamic parties such as Hezbollah and Hamas whose charters reject the right of Israel to exist as it is prescribed in the Quran. The immutable Quran. The word of Allah is not subject to dispute.
6. You are obviously against the continued existence of the state of Israel. Israel was established by the UN and has a right to exist whether the Arabs like it or not. Arabs and Islamic states control a land mass in the region that dwarfs the size of the Israeli state - however its boders are defined. Its borders are subject to dispute, as is the control of Jerusalem ,as are reparations to Palestinians who abandoned their property - but not Israel's right to exist. If you maintain that it has no right to exist, then you declare war. If you declare war, be prepared to fight. If that makes me a "neo-con", count me in.
7. So there it is. Geert Wilders is wrong because he is a Jew and Zionist to boot. Nevermind the facts of the case. They are irrelevant. That is absurd. Anyone reading this, please, please see the youtube video of Pat Condell about the criminal prosecution of Wilders in Holland. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96ZUZ9CPZII
It is a true heresy trial aimed at curtailing free speech and comments critical of the Quran and Islam. Truth has been divorced from justice.
Lastly , I confess not comprehending your argument about Joseph Stack. Double standards with regard to terrorism? You really want to equate Stack's act with say the act of Nidal Hasan? You are more perverted than I thought. I am reminded of orwellian's moral equivalence between a) planting bombs on a public bus to kill innocent civilians and b) subsequently taking out the guy who planted the bombs. It is a patently absurd argument. Yeah. yeah, one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. Not applicable in ALL cases. The human intellect must make distinctions. Failure to do so is irresponsible and unethical.
Take CAIR, the Counsel on American Islamic Relations. It too has declared it racist or discriminatory NOT to call Stack's act of piloting his plane into the IRS offices an act of terrorism. That is nonsense. The inability to distinguish between Joe Stack and for example, Nidal Hasan, the Muslim US Army officer who murdered his fellow soldiers at Ft Dix, demonstrates a lack, not of ethical consistency, but plain old intelligence. As Hugh Fitzgerald of jihadwatch put it:
Unlike a "lone Muslim," Joe Stack was not inculcated from a young age with hatred of the IRS, or the government. He was not out to right wrongs, to terrorize the IRS. He was simply at the end of his tether, and that tether snapped, and he snapped, and he decided, in this publicity-maddened age, to go out with a bang. It wasn't so much "Striking Terror Into the Hearts Of (the IRS, the government, the drug companies)," but, rather, simply Going Out With A Bang.
But the "lone Muslim" (Nasan) can reasonably be described as a "terrorist" if his act of terrorism has been inspired by an ideology shared by a billion people, and taken seriously by a great many of them, and if he thinks, if it is reasonable to think he thinks, that in smiting this particular Infidel or Infidels, he is "striking terror" into the hearts of other Infidels, and thus landing a blow for Islam. " The latter describes Nidal Hasan.
So I will go back to, as you so revealingly say, jerking off to the bile I produce here. Carry on your anti-Israel, anti-Zionist empty headed rhetoric. The truth about Islam is getting out.
1.You admit that in Islamic society non-muslims must live in dhimmitude as second class citizens.
2.You admit 2.5 million persons were slaughtered, but argue the genocide of the Armenians and other Christians by the Ottoman empire was ethnic, not religious. A subtle distinction, but probably erroneous. In 1914, as the Ottoman Empire entered World War I on the side of the central powers, an official anti-Christian jihad was proclaimed. In his book on this subject, Perter Balakian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Balakian) states:
To promote the idea of jihad, the sheikh-ul-Islam's {the most senior religious leader in the Ottoman Empire} published proclamation summoned the Muslim world to arise and massacre its Christian oppressors. "Oh Moslems," the document read, "Ye who are smitten with happiness and are on the verge of sacrificing your life and your good for the cause of right, and of braving perils, gather now around the Imperial throne." In the Ikdam, the Turkish newspaper that had just passed into German ownership, the idea of jihad was underscored: "The deeds of our enemies have brought down the wrath of God. A gleam of hope has appeared. All Mohammedans, young and old, men, women, and children must fulfill their duty. ... If we do it, the deliverance of the subjected Mohammedan kingdoms is assured." ... "He who kills even one unbeliever," one pamphlet read, "of those who rule over us, whether he does it secretly or openly, shall be rewarded by God." (quoted in Balakian, The Burning Tigris, 169-70.)
3. Zionist propaganda? What is ? The words of the Quran? I don't get it. Can you clarify exactly what is the Zionist propaganda? Do you accuse me of misquoting the Quran? Irrelevant Suras? Tell that to ANY Muslim. See if he agrees these words are irrelevant. If you lived in the mideast, you realize that you have blasphemed and that you could be killed for merely uttering these words in Saudi Arabia, Iran and possibly Pakistan. And in any state that is established by Hamas or Hezbollah. That is not propaganda . It is simply the truth. Do you disagree?
You state Iraq and Afghanistan didn't invade the USA. Duh? DId I say otherwise? You want to put words in my mouth and then prove me wrong? By the way, if the Taliban government gave aide and support to Al Qaida, then they are co conspirators in the 9/11 attack. As such they declared war on the US. The US invasion of Iraq was wrong from any perspective. It was most likely to gain control of Iraqi oil reserves with perhaps psychological ( revenge for daddy) and religious motives of Bush (god wants me to do it).
4. What is all this business about Zionist neo-con? If by Zionist you mean one who supports the independent state of Israel as a homeland for Jewish people I plead guilty. You really like the word, "neo-con." How do you define it? What are the elements of the neocon philosophy I have demonstrated. I am aginst American intervention in the mideast except in the defense of Israel. In my opinion the US ought to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan asap. Let the Shia and Sunni sort out their own damn problems. Lord knows they have been at each others throats since the 7th century. Does that make me a neo-con?
5. I have no desire to spend any more time in the mideast. Nor do I think it is required for me to do so in order to have insight into the Islamic code of ethics or history of the region. It is encouraging to hear you denigrate the Quran. Just don't do it in a number of mideast countries if you cherish your freedom. I trust you don't dispute that. Where have I misstated historical facts? My argument is with the role of Islam in the problems facing the region. It is central to understanding the Israeli conflict with Islamic parties such as Hezbollah and Hamas whose charters reject the right of Israel to exist as it is prescribed in the Quran. The immutable Quran. The word of Allah is not subject to dispute.
6. You are obviously against the continued existence of the state of Israel. Israel was established by the UN and has a right to exist whether the Arabs like it or not. Arabs and Islamic states control a land mass in the region that dwarfs the size of the Israeli state - however its boders are defined. Its borders are subject to dispute, as is the control of Jerusalem ,as are reparations to Palestinians who abandoned their property - but not Israel's right to exist. If you maintain that it has no right to exist, then you declare war. If you declare war, be prepared to fight. If that makes me a "neo-con", count me in.
7. So there it is. Geert Wilders is wrong because he is a Jew and Zionist to boot. Nevermind the facts of the case. They are irrelevant. That is absurd. Anyone reading this, please, please see the youtube video of Pat Condell about the criminal prosecution of Wilders in Holland. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96ZUZ9CPZII
It is a true heresy trial aimed at curtailing free speech and comments critical of the Quran and Islam. Truth has been divorced from justice.
Lastly , I confess not comprehending your argument about Joseph Stack. Double standards with regard to terrorism? You really want to equate Stack's act with say the act of Nidal Hasan? You are more perverted than I thought. I am reminded of orwellian's moral equivalence between a) planting bombs on a public bus to kill innocent civilians and b) subsequently taking out the guy who planted the bombs. It is a patently absurd argument. Yeah. yeah, one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. Not applicable in ALL cases. The human intellect must make distinctions. Failure to do so is irresponsible and unethical.
Take CAIR, the Counsel on American Islamic Relations. It too has declared it racist or discriminatory NOT to call Stack's act of piloting his plane into the IRS offices an act of terrorism. That is nonsense. The inability to distinguish between Joe Stack and for example, Nidal Hasan, the Muslim US Army officer who murdered his fellow soldiers at Ft Dix, demonstrates a lack, not of ethical consistency, but plain old intelligence. As Hugh Fitzgerald of jihadwatch put it:
Unlike a "lone Muslim," Joe Stack was not inculcated from a young age with hatred of the IRS, or the government. He was not out to right wrongs, to terrorize the IRS. He was simply at the end of his tether, and that tether snapped, and he snapped, and he decided, in this publicity-maddened age, to go out with a bang. It wasn't so much "Striking Terror Into the Hearts Of (the IRS, the government, the drug companies)," but, rather, simply Going Out With A Bang.
But the "lone Muslim" (Nasan) can reasonably be described as a "terrorist" if his act of terrorism has been inspired by an ideology shared by a billion people, and taken seriously by a great many of them, and if he thinks, if it is reasonable to think he thinks, that in smiting this particular Infidel or Infidels, he is "striking terror" into the hearts of other Infidels, and thus landing a blow for Islam. " The latter describes Nidal Hasan.
So I will go back to, as you so revealingly say, jerking off to the bile I produce here. Carry on your anti-Israel, anti-Zionist empty headed rhetoric. The truth about Islam is getting out.