The Perfect Metaphor

[Matiasba]

http://www.channelne...to/1138640.html

This is not what I was talking about. I meant subsidizing football, transfers, tickets, players. This is a program to impulse chinese immigration, to impulse relationships with the new world power. It has nothing to do with subsidize football.

Even though the viewer doesn't directly pay for it, does not mean its free...

The difference is that in one case you have to pay the match + the monthly taxes and the other is just the taxes, so yeah its pretty much for free.

 

[Matiasba]

http://www.lanacion....es-en-tres-anos

It isn't free, our taxes are going to pay for all of it when they should be going to other things.

Clubs should be investigated about where the transfer money ends up but aren't most of the clubs basically "owned" by the fans through socios?

Its the socio members who are being robbed, the money should be going to run the club, pay for the coaches/players/facilities etc.

Surely they should be investigating their own clubs? That's a completely different issue though.

The tricky part of futbol para todos is that is considered a cultural issue that should belong to everybody. Futbol is VERY important in argentines lives, very. Much more important than in others countries. And the lower you go in the social scale the more important it is. So yes, I think its ok to give these people some joy, something to entretain theirselves without paying. Its like subsidios, these people deserve them.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

The tricky part of futbol para todos is that is considered a cultural issue that should belong to everybody. Futbol is VERY important in argentines lives, very. Much more important than in others countries. And the lower you go in the social scale the more important it is. So yes, I think its ok to give these people some joy, something to entretain theirselves without paying. Its like subsidios, these people deserve them.

If soccer is that important to Argentines, they should be willing to pay for it or, if not, participate in neighborhood games for the sheer joy of it (as if soccer were capable of such a thing).

 

[Matiasba]

If soccer is that important to Argentines, they should be willing to pay for it or, if not, participate in neighborhood games for the sheer joy of it (as if soccer were capable of such a thing).

they used to pay, even the more poor

and they do participate!

 

[thorsten]

Matias, do you really think that a subsidy to local football teams for signing chinese players will have any relevant impact on the "relationship to the new world power"? Will China pay more for Soy or give discounts on train purchases just because Boca signed player Chang?
Also, regarding the "free football": do you really think the people here need football more than investments in education, healthcare, safety, ...? Those are the typical services a state should provide, Futbol para todos is more the old political strategy of panem et circenses...

 

[Matiasba]

Cultural integration is one of the debts with Argentina, and futbol is one, if not the one, classic characteristic of argentine culture. If we have governments programs doing this, I bet it all goes for cultural integration (unlike other immigrants, argenchinos did not get immerse that much)

about investment in eductaion, etc, I prefer futbol para todos cause that money in education, health, etc I certainly will not see it.

 

[Redpossum]

Matias, do you really think that a subsidy to local football teams for signing chinese players will have any relevant impact on the "relationship to the new world power"? Will China pay more for Soy or give discounts on train purchases just because Boca signed player Chang?

(Above quote edited for brevity)

No, but the presence of Chinese players on Argentine teams will stimulate Chinese interest, thereby allowing Argentina to sell viewing rights in the huge Chinese markets. This, in turn, will generate revenue which will help to ease Argentina's trade deficit. This will also build a certain sense of sympathy and identification for Argentina among the Chinese public, and it can't hurt to be on friendly terms with the rising powers of the world.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

they used to pay, even the more poor

and they do participate!

So, is soccer capable of surviving in the marketplace or not? I think not.

 

[thorsten]

Really likely scenario. Sure, a random player will sign in an Argentine club (the top chinese player will always go to Europe for obvious reasons), and then China will spend a ton of money to get the broad cast rights for the Argentine games, because the viewers say "fuck the European leagues, we want to see the mediocre guy who plays for Boca and watch other games between cities we never heard of". Even if they manage to sell a broadcast license to China, do you have an idea how much (or better few) $ that actually means for Argentina?

 

[Matiasba]

So, is soccer capable of surviving in the marketplace or not? I think not.

it used to be a huge bussiness. It actualy is a big bussiness outside Argentina!