The quo in the quid pro quo

Fascinating and very plausible. But tell me more of "the Biden-Harris regime's reckless culling of egg-laying hens last year." of which ZeroHedge speaks in its final pargraph? Weren't these the birds which caught a variety of Avian Flu which the CDC says jumped species twice? First into cattle then into humans infected by cattle? Is this the reason there's a shortage of beef cattle in the first place?
 
Fascinating and very plausible. But tell me more of "the Biden-Harris regime's reckless culling of egg-laying hens last year." of which ZeroHedge speaks in its final pargraph? Weren't these the birds which caught a variety of Avian Flu which the CDC says jumped species twice? First into cattle then into humans infected by cattle? Is this the reason there's a shortage of beef cattle in the first place?
Definitely the reason for the chicken culling, but I don't think they did the same with infected cattle. Seems the high prices of beef are due to drought, tariffs, meat processing costs (deportations?). I don't imagine we'll see culling in the future, with the CDC layoffs and RFK in charge.
I wonder if Caputo's labor reforms proposals are part of the quid pro quo as well. Elections should be interesting, to see how all of this goes over with the general public.
 
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Yes, though no one expects imports of Argentina beef to have any affect on USA prices. So good Argentina gets to benefit a tiny bit, without angering the US industry. According to this farm report a real disruption would be if he reversed the blockade of feeder cattle from Mexico or removed his 50% tariff on beef from Brazil.

 
Yes, though no one expects imports of Argentina beef to have any affect on USA prices. So good Argentina gets to benefit a tiny bit, without angering the US industry. According to this farm report a real disruption would be if he reversed the blockade of feeder cattle from Mexico or removed his 50% tariff on beef from Brazil.

I wouldn't trust this commentary. If you look at the market prices of that website and price trends over time rather than day to day you'll see that price of beef has increased from $110 to $242 over 5 years. (You typically wouldn't make a judgement of any industry by looking at single day changes in price).

live cattle prices (click on 5 yr beside the graph)

Increased prices are largely due to the lowest cattle inventories in the USA and Canada due to droughts, forest fires and increasing demand.

Yes there is a monopoly in the processing part of the business which can put more pressure on price increases.

In Canada and the US they have already been importing meat from Mexico, Australia, etc to help try and meet the demand. These are sold as ungraded beef. Tariffs may help some on that but I don't even know if the tariff is on beef or if it has been reduced or eliminated like what they have done for other industries.

80% of Argentinian beef exports go to China. I don't know why the US needs to give money or do this inorder to buy it, they just need to pay a higher price than China.

But if you think increasing the inventory of beef won't help reduce prices then your thoughts of the beef market fall inline with cartel and monopoly theory. Why wouldn't increasing the supply reduce prices of that's the theory applied to everything else?

The cost of shipping is relatively insignificant.
 
Yes, though no one expects imports of Argentina beef to have any affect on USA prices. So good Argentina gets to benefit a tiny bit, without angering the US industry. According to this farm report a real disruption would be if he reversed the blockade of feeder cattle from Mexico or removed his 50% tariff on beef from Brazil.

Why would replacing Brazilian beef with Argentinian beef not have a similar impact?
 
I wouldn't trust this commentary
It is not in the opinion and commentary section. It is a researched article with many quotes and simple reporting of facts. One being that the futures market did not care at all about Trumps announcement. Yes I’m sure some personal insight from the reporter.

My uneducated commentary is that Argentina would not be able to ramp up production and shipments to be able to make any difference to lower prices. Reading 2% of imports into US are from Argentina, and Brazil was much more than that. Does it even matter? It’s all a game that Trump is doing to pretend is he successfully manipulating China, Brazil, and Argentina to benefit the US.
Why would replacing Brazilian beef with Argentinian beef not have a similar impact?
Brazil imports would have a much bigger impact to lower prices because the amounts would be much higher. The distribution channels of beef imports from there are already setup, and have just been temporarily blocked by tariffs.
 
It is not in the opinion and commentary section. It is a researched article with many quotes and simple reporting of facts. One being that the futures market did not care at all about Trumps announcement. Yes I’m sure some personal insight from the reporter.

My uneducated commentary is that Argentina would not be able to ramp up production and shipments to be able to make any difference to lower prices. Reading 2% of imports into US are from Argentina, and Brazil was much more than that. Does it even matter? It’s all a game that Trump is doing to pretend is he successfully manipulating China, Brazil, and Argentina to benefit the US.

Brazil imports would have a much bigger impact to lower prices because the amounts would be much higher. The distribution channels of beef imports from there are already setup, and have just been temporarily blocked by tariffs.
People can use quotes and stats to present any opinion they want. The inclusion of them didn't by virtue make it any more true. I'm sure you can find analysts on both sides about gold, stock markets, etc. if anyone knew with certainty they'd be making incredible gambles.

In 2024 the US imported 8.1% Brazil's 2.5 million tonnes of beef exports, so about 200k tonnes, which was about 30% of Argentinian beef exports.

The first half of this year Argentina was importing from Brazil because of the cost of beef from there was cheaper, due to value of peso etc and price ranchers were willing to sell for.

Since there are tariffs on Brazil Argentina exports are much cheaper (not just the little difference due to exchange rates) and definitely can have the impact. The tariffs really just cause other countries to pick up the Brazilian market share and their market shares in other countries will go to Brazil. China received about 80% of Argentinian exports, therefore 560k tonnes. A fraction of that can be swapped with Brazil. As a BRICS partner, I would think China is willing to help them out.

Argentina already is organized for the beef exports market quite well. Which boat gets loaded isn't an issue. The difference in logistics is marginal probably, a few cents per pound.

There is a difference between the cost of cattle and the cost in the supermarket. increasing supply absolutely can lower it.

The purpose and politics of tariffs is a separate discussion. if you don't believe increasing supply can have an impact on process then tariffs shouldn't have any impact, which you have already implied have made things more expensive (by impacting either price or quantity of supply).

Argentinian farmers have also come out and raised the point that they are amongst the quickest industries to ramp up production when compared to oil and gas, mining, energy projects that are in the news related to the RIGI investment scheme. Yes, on average argentinian industrial capacity is operating at 60% of installed capacity.

China represented 60% of the soy market I think. Why don't American farmers do more to target the other 40%.
 
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