Tragedy In New York; Five Argentines Killed

[camberiu]

Any person who subscribes to the Islamic ideology is deserving of being ostracized from democratic society.

Persons like Malala Yousafzai? Muhammad Ali too? How about David Chapelle or Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? They should all be ostracized because of their faith?
How about people who subscribe to the concepts of collective guilt and collective punishment? Those folks are fine, right?

It has nothing to do with political correctness, but with the concept of individual responsibility. One either subscribes to the concept of guilt by association or doesn't.
I don't. Apparently you do, which ironically enough, is a concept supposedly alien to this "democratic society" that you are talking about.
Do you know who else believed in collective guilt? Marxists, specially the Leninist/Maoist types. They killed tens of millions of people because they believed that all of the bourgeoisie subscribers of capitalism and therefore guilty of exploiting the workers.
Do you know who else? Those from the extreme left who blame all the white people today for centuries of black slavery.
So if you are willing to indict all Muslims for the act of a few, better be ready to take up your share on the white guilt on slavery. Are you?


At any rate, the very Muslim Akon is welcome to hang out with me anytime he wants.

 

[camberiu]

Know Islam.
No peace.

Those evil Muslims....

Iraqi TV Host Breaks Down in Tears at Plight of Christians

 

[notebook.fix]

Those evil Muslims....

Iraqi TV Host Breaks Down in Tears at Plight of Christians

You're right.... all this hysterical Islamophobia is totally irrational..
https://www.youtube....h?v=P2gKRUGXQaI

Maybe we should all be more tolerant like the french..
https://www.youtube....h?v=_pM9gqG1wxc

The Left & Islam: Unholy Alliance
https://www.youtube....h?v=r3NDeyR_1-U

MUSLIM HOSPITALITY IN LONDON
https://www.youtube....h?v=rP6U6Hhy_2M

 

[julian63]

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Persons like Malala Yousafzai? Muhammad Ali too? How about David Chapelle or Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? They should all be ostracized because of their faith?
How about people who subscribe to the concepts of collective guilt and collective punishment? Those folks are fine, right?

It has nothing to do with political correctness, but with the concept of individual responsibility. One either subscribes to the concept of guilt by association or doesn't.
I don't. Apparently you do, which ironically enough, is a concept supposedly alien to this "democratic society" that you are talking about.
Do you know who else believed in collective guilt? Marxists, specially the Leninist/Maoist types. They killed tens of millions of people because they believed that all of the bourgeoisie subscribers of capitalism and therefore guilty of exploiting the workers.
Do you know who else? Those from the extreme left who blame all the white people today for centuries of black slavery.
So if you are willing to indict all Muslims for the act of a few, better be ready to take up your share on the white guilt on slavery. Are you?


At any rate, the very Muslim Akon is welcome to hang out with me anytime he wants.

If you subscribe to the ideology then , ipso fact, you subscribe to the features inherent to the ideology. In my view, anyone who subscribes to unequal rights for all under the law, homophobia, male chauvinism with the attendant right to beat women, absence of free speech and free conscience, and the death penalty for apostasy, blasphemy and adultery is a persona non grata in my world. Of course if some one wants to reform the ideology, go ahead...kind of tough to do when the penalty for apostasy is death.

 

[camberiu]

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If you subscribe to the ideology then , ipso fact, you subscribe to the features inherent to the ideology.

If that is the case:

22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
-Ephesians 5:22


So what is the next mental gymnastics before you indict all Christians of the world for subscribing to the above?

 

[camberiu]

You're right.... all this hysterical Islamophobia is totally irrational..
https://www.youtube....h?v=P2gKRUGXQaI

Maybe we should all be more tolerant like the french..
https://www.youtube....h?v=_pM9gqG1wxc

The Left & Islam: Unholy Alliance
https://www.youtube....h?v=r3NDeyR_1-U

MUSLIM HOSPITALITY IN LONDON
https://www.youtube....h?v=rP6U6Hhy_2M

OK, so you believe in guilt by association. The guilt of a few is the guilt of them all. Fair enough. If you are white, can't wait for you to start paying compensation to the descendants of the victims of slavery. It is what an intellectually honest person who believes in collective guilt would do.

You also realize that the overwhelming majority of terrorists are male, right? Since we are riding fast on this collective guilt train, are you ready to assume responsibility for the acts of your gender?

 

[wineguy999]

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If you subscribe to the ideology then , ipso fact, you subscribe to the features inherent to the ideology. In my view, anyone who subscribes to unequal rights for all under the law, homophobia, male chauvinism with the attendant right to beat women, absence of free speech and free conscience, and the death penalty for apostasy, blasphemy and adultery is a persona non grata in my world. Of course if some one wants to reform the ideology, go ahead...kind of tough to do when the penalty for apostasy is death.

Well, then...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3VHK1NXIBw

 

[camberiu]

Well, then...

https://www.youtube....h?v=f3VHK1NXIBw

The typical argument is that he is citing the Old Testament, which was invalidated by the New Testament. Funny enough, there is plenty of support for slavery, homophobia and sexism on the New Testament.

“In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” (Romans 1:27)

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

But again, the horrors of the holy book only apply to the "sand niggers". We are fine and exempt of anything.

 

[julian63]

The ole tu quoque argument doesn't stand up to analysis. Violent passages in the bible are largely descriptive whereas those in the KKKoran are prescriptive. In any event is the violence of the bible preached today? The bible is the word of man. It can be amended, reinterpreted, modernized. The KKKoran is the immutable word of god.
There are many Muslims who don't adhere to the mandates of the ideology. They are not "good" (devout) Muslims. Those that are devout are again , in my world, persona non grata. Lastly, 2 wrongs don't make a right. To he extent any religion is today interpreted to endorse unequal treatment and superiority etc , it is also bad.

 

[julian63]

This latest piece of news deserves full disclosure. https://www.cbsnews....uck-cellphones

NEW YORK — The suspect charged in Tuesday’s terrorist attack in lower Manhattan had two cell phones with 90 videos of propaganda about the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and 3,800 images related to the terrorist group, prosecutors said.
In an affidavit filed in federal court on Wednesday, FBI agent Amber Tyree revealed what investigators discovered in the rental truck used to mow down 20 people along a bike lane in lower Manhattan, killing eight of them and seriously injuring 12.
Sayfullo Saipov, a 29-year-old native of Uzbekistan, was charged with providing material support to a terrorist organization and using a vehicle to cause violence. Investigators say Saipov was inspired by ISIS to carry out the attack, the deadliest in New York since 9/11. The use of a truck to run over civilians closely mirrors similar attacks that have plagued Europe. ISIS has posted instructions and urged its followers to carry out such an attack on its propaganda channels online.
Saipov is said to have rented a pickup truck from a Home Depot in New Jersey before driving into Manhattan to carry out the attack. He traveled for nearly a mile down a bike lane next to the West Side Highway, coming to a stop only after he slammed into a schoolbus. He then exited the vehicle carrying a black bag, a pellet gun and a paintball gun, yelling “God is great” in Arabic. Saipov was soon shot by a police officer and taken into custody.​

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“Allahu akbar” does not mean “God is great.” It means “Allah is greater,” i.e., greater than your god. It is a declaration of superiority and supremacism.[/background]

Investigators detailed what they found in Saipov’s truck after the attack. Inside the black bag, which Saipov dropped after being shot, officers found three knives and a wallet containing a Florida driver’s license in Saipov’s name.
Inside the truck itself, police found two cellphones and a stun gun on the floor by the driver’s side seat.
They also discovered a note about 10 feet from the truck with English and Arabic writing, according to the affidavit. The Arabic writing said “No God but God and Muhammed is his Prophet” and “Islamic Supplication. It will endure,” the affidavit says, noting that the latter phrase is “commonly used to refer to ISIS.”
The FBI obtained a search warrant to search the two cellphones found inside the truck. The first phone was found to contain 90 videos of ISIS propaganda. Saipov told investigators from his hospital bed that he was inspired to carry out the attack after watching ISIS-related videos on his cellphone, according to the affidavit.
The videos described in the affidavit included footage of ISIS fighters running over a prisoner with a tank, a beheading video, and an instructional video about making a homemade explosive. About 3,800 images were also found on the phone, including many with the logo of ISIS’ propaganda arm and several of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the group’s leader….​