Tucker Carlson in Buenos Aires

[sergio]

I don't see where Freedom of Speech comes into this. Neither the ARG or US govt. restricted Milei or Carlson's speech (and as we all should know, Freedom of Speech as a legal concept can only be restricted by Govt., not private enterprise). Without going back and reading every post I'm pretty sure I didn't read anyone here suggesting that Milei or Carlson shouldn't be allowed to speak or conduct their interview. Sounds like hyperbole.

I don't find anything wrong with pointing out the credibility of politicians or those who interview them in order to speak to what their agenda's might be. If a politician or a TV talking head has a documented history of lying or lacking credibility I think it's good for that info to be transparent so people can take that into account when they're watching what they're being spoon fed. More information, not less. Sunshine is the ultimate disinfectant. Making credibility judgements about people is a basic everyday human life skill. Can I trust this guy trying to sell me his car? The mechanic says it's got some problems, but the seller says it's tip-top so why should I care what the mechanic says? Does this mechanic have a good reputation in the neighborhood, or is he going to try and rip me off? If I ask this lady to watch my bag while I go to the restroom for a minute, will she and my bag still be here when I get back? Is this witness giving sworn testimony credible or lying through his teeth? If you're not making credibility judgements about all the people involved who give you information (talking heads all the way up to Chairman of the Board of an International Media Conglomerate) then you're leaving it to others to do at least some of your thinking for you and only listening/believing to that which you want to believe and that which you are told. If the messenger truly didn't matter people wouldn't favor FOX or MSNBC and would rely on Reuters or the AP - yet they do watch FOX/MSNBC because the messenger matters to them as much, if not more, than the message and the messenger plays a large part in crafting the message.

As far as not needing anyone filtering the information through preapproved 'credible' interviewers/writers (Remember, it was FOX News that told the federal court Carlson wasn't credible - not the left. Just like all of the witnesses who've testified against Trump in the leadup to his many legal cases/"witch hunts" are all Republicans, not Democrats - go figure, they're eating their own), I wish I had a Ten Peso note for every time I heard Trump and his followers go on about "fake news" "fake media" "fake (fill in the blank)" - all blatant efforts to tell people what's not credible. That's where you can find the greatest effort to filter information, or more accurately, put a spin on it or just flat out lie at the same time it reaches the eyes and ears of the loyal base from other sources considered more credible.

I will make my own judgments. I don't need you or anyone else to tell me what I must or must not believe.

 

[sergio]

He may be around for a long time, but not in a well-paying prestigious job.

When public figures are done for in their home country, they tour Latin America where anyone from the US (or Europe) is treated as a guru.

In this case, being American is enough to get Carlson attention. The locals don't know he's been kicked out of Fox News, and discredited.

A lot of people would say that being kicked out of Fox is to his credit, not discredit. Anyway It's intersting how this conversation is focused on Carlson and not Milei's IDEAS.

 

[Reversegate]

He's not going to be able to end free public hospitals but he might make some reforms. There is no reason that non resident foreigners, for example, should receive free treatrment. Britain had to put an end to that. Nor is there any justification for giving free university education to foireigners or non permanent residents. As for information about Milei's background and what does not "meet the eye", please keep us informed of articles and broadcasts to read and watch. Post the links on this website. I am sure many will want to learn more.

1. Britain hasn't put an end to it outright. Your use of 'non resident foreigners' suggests someone who's bought into the NHS health tourism larks put out by folk.

2. From something you said earlier:

"This makes no sense at all. All that matters is what Milei said. Carlson did not speak for him. Furthermore, everything I have read in English has been critical of Milei. He is routinely blasted as a right winger in the foreign press. What are you proposing - that Milei only be interviewed by people who dislike him and oppose his ideas?"

Mail Online is the most read English-language newspaper site in the world. He isn't being blasted for being a right-winger there. Move to the Daily Telegraph. If you get behind the paywalls, it is definitely not anti-Milei.

So what do you read if you miss these things?

 

[sergio]

1. Britain hasn't put an end to it outright. Your use of 'non resident foreigners' suggests someone who's bought into the NHS health tourism larks put out by folk.

2. From something you said earlier:

"This makes no sense at all. All that matters is what Milei said. Carlson did not speak for him. Furthermore, everything I have read in English has been critical of Milei. He is routinely blasted as a right winger in the foreign press. What are you proposing - that Milei only be interviewed by people who dislike him and oppose his ideas?"

Mail Online is the most read English-language newspaper site in the world. He isn't being blasted for being a right-winger there. Move to the Daily Telegraph. If you get behind the paywalls, it is definitely not anti-Milei.

So what do you read if you miss these things?

Is the Wall Street Journal publishing pro Milei articles? The FInancial Times? Please provide links.
NHS: Are they still treating tourists free?

 

[Reversegate]

A lot of people would say that being kicked out of Fox is to his credit, not discredit.

A lot of people still think Elvis shops at Coto. Doesn't make them right.

Anyway It's intersting how this conversation is focused on Carlson and not Milei's IDEAS.

The thread title might be a giveaway as to why it's focused on Carlson.

 

[Reversegate]

Is the Wall Street Journal publishing pro Milei articles? The FInancial Times? Please provide links.

WSJ: yep. Try Max Raskin's piece from August 23rd of this year. The FT calls him far-right but this goes along with the usual centrist FT attitude. Fact is, the biggest English language newspaper site in Mail Online is not damning Milei.

NHS: Are they still treating tourists free?

In some cases they are. I'm sure I don't have to explain the European Health Insurance Card to you.

 

[Macanudo]

we all should know, Freedom of Speech as a legal concept can only be restricted by Govt., not private enterprise.

If that is true, how was Twitter able to permanently suspend Trump's account? Why have so many other voices been silenced on social media?

 

[Reversegate]

If that is true, how was Twitter able to permanently suspend Trump's account? Why have so many other voices been silenced on social media?

Because freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to speak on every media platform going and do whatever you please.

If you break the rules, you get told off. Try wearing denim at any of Mr Trump's golf clubs and see how far you get with a defence that he's trangressing your rights to freedom of expression through clothing.

 

[Macanudo]

The point I was trying to make was that private companies can and do restrict freedom of speech all the time.

 

[sergio]

Because freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to speak on every media platform going and do whatever you please.

If you break the rules, you get told off. Try wearing denim at any of Mr Trump's golf clubs and see how far you get with a defence that he's trangressing your rights to freedom of expression through clothing.

A private golf club is private so when you join you agree to the club's rules.