What Was Cristina Up To In The Seychelles Islands?

And the responses from the government make their actions all the more suspicious. Taking 13 hours for refueling is also way too long (and the bit about pilots needing rest would only make sense if they only flew with one set of pilots which, for a presidential airplane, I highly doubt).

Anyone know the full itinerary?
They used a charter flight for the trip. Government afraid vulture funds would confiscate Tango 1. Sounds like there was a crew change in South Africa. Who knows? Plot thickens.

http://www.iprofesional.com/notas/167943-Especialistas-en-aviones-aseguran-que-la-escala-de-Cristina-Kirchner-en-Seychelles-no-era-necesaria

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Cuidadania, can you highlight in which areas in particular Lanata may be stretching the truth?
I appreciate the points that you make and agree that, regardless of our political leanings, we need to be sure we're not being spoon fed.
Also, whilst the 'was the Seychelles on the list or wasn't it?' is an important detail, would it make any difference whether it was or not, should some person be stashing undeclared funds there?

What I know for sure (I'm happy to be proven wrong with evidence, even a cached internet page would do) is that UIF has not taken Seychelles off the list in at least the last year. So when Lanata claims that the government did otherwise and provides no proof, I find it hard to take him on his word. Notebook.fix provided a link to a newspaper article that seems to indicate that one of the diputados raised concerns about Seychelles being taken off the list. I just can't find any documentation (cached pages or anything like that) that would back that claim up.

If Lanata is not lying then I'm sure providing evidence regarding his claims should not be that hard.

Now, if Lanata did mislead about the whole Seychelles being on or not on the list does that mean that CFK and the K's are innocent? No. One has to be completely blind to think that the K's are just honest politicians that the corporations hate (or whatever their latest story is). To me if Lanata lies then that means he loses credibility with me and others who don't just buy every word that comes out of his mouth just because "Lanata said so".

The government's story about plane refueling smells fishy just on its own. If Lanata didn't have enough evidence about Seychelles being taken off the list, he shouldn't have said anything about it because, like you indicated, it doesn't have any bearing on whether the K's hid their money in the banks on the island or not.
 
12-hour crew rest is correct if there was only one crew on board. I forget the exact ratio but 8 hours flying duty within a 13-hour crew day followed by 12 hours mandatory rest period is pretty close. There are a lot of variables but that's the general idea.
 
Is the Seychelles the most likely place you would stop on the way back? ( Most direct route?)
 
It may comfort you to know, that a couple of years back, Fox News got a court ruling saying that in the US it is completely bona fide to deliberately tell a lie in the news.

Context matters. You literally cannot defame a public official in the US, unless it can be proved the statement was made with malice and "reckless disregard for the truth," established in NY Times v. Sullivan (1964): http://en.wikipedia....Co._v._Sullivan). British defamation laws are far more stringent.
 
If Lanata didn't have enough evidence about Seychelles being taken off the list, he shouldn't have said anything about it because, like you indicated, it doesn't have any bearing on whether the K's hid their money in the banks on the island or not.

Think the argument about taking Seychelles off the tax haven list centers around Decree 589/13. Cannot find a definitive list but all indications are that it was revised.

http://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/Global-Tax-Alert-Argentina-introduces-amendments-to-its-rules-on-tax-havens/$FILE/EY_tax_news_2013061102.pdf
http://www.lapoliticaonline.com/noticias/val/93157-6/islas-seychelles-los-puntos-oscuros-en-la-defensa-del-gobierno.html




 
What I know for sure (I'm happy to be proven wrong with evidence, even a cached internet page would do) is that UIF has not taken Seychelles off the list in at least the last year. So when Lanata claims that the government did otherwise and provides no proof, I find it hard to take him on his word.

Please come forward with your evidence for your statement above. If you claim, that you know for sure, then I need to hold you to the same standard and ask you to please prove without a shadow of a doubt what "you know for sure". Please show evidence that the government has NOT temporarily changed the list at any time in the last 12 months.

You only have to knock down one of Lanata's items in order to discredit his whole investigation - at least these are the rules that you seem to be happy to play by. Lanata on the other hand has to prove all his claims presented in the investigations. If we go by your standards, if he gets it wrong ONLY once, he should be hung up and left to dry.

What's the hurry? It's not about Lanata, it's about the corruption. This is not an 'open and shut case' to be settled on within hours.
Lanata is not the Judge/Jury/Prosecutor/Law. He does not have to build the case and provide all the evidence, that's the job of the LAW..he's just the journalist. His job is to PUBLICIZE and DRAW public attention to the smoking gun.

Every time he has exposed the high level criminal activity, the Kirchner mafia has stopped and frozen all investigations. They have removed neutral /independent judges & planted their own, they have threatened and attempted to discredit neutral judges, cancelled or delayed search warrants, BLOCKED EVIDENCE from being released, you name it...so far NO ONE HAS BEEN JAILED or prosecuted.

One could ask, why should we fixate on whether Lanata is 100% right or not?

In time all the evidence will surface, most of the time he's been spot on...his credibility is intact with those of us who have bothered to follow up on the leads.

"Sensationalism"? ...with respect I say, maybe it's more a 'Cultural misunderstanding' on your part. At this point in history the Argentine public is very 'ADHD', too many urgent issues to deal with.... in between the Tinelli boobs and asses and futbol para todos etc, capturing the general public's attention is a serious challenge here, conveying the messages is the goal..sure I don't like the melodramatic music & the moving camera shots either...but this is the contemporary video language that seems to work for now...it's not BBC I know.
We would hope to raise journalistic standards at some point in the future, but for now, we just have one main objective...save the republic!.
 
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