Whatever happened to the Obama sycophants?

redrum said:
records may or may not be sealed by default. records can however be purposefully made to be inaccessible. i'm not saying he is or isn't a US citizen. i said that i have doubts about the man's past. i am allowed to have doubts without being maligned am i not?

You just don't want to believe it. Thus your skills of logic & reason are put into doubt.

redrum said:
indulge me then. why spend $1.4m to have all his records sealed? i'm not saying we need to see everything. you however seem to be on the other extreme. you're comfortable with seeing next to nothing.

yeah. so you want him to send you a copy to you personally? His birth certificate has been seen and authenticated as have those of previous presidents. You don't need a personal copy.

He hasn't spent $1.4m "having his records sealed" (logic, hello?). And repeating it over & over doesn't make it true. I wouldn't be surprised at this point however if he hasn't spent that much defending against frivolous lawsuits over his birth.

redrum said:
you're comfortable with seeing next to nothing.
I'm comfortable that I know just as much about his personal history as I do any other president. I've never seen any of their BCs. I'm comfortable that the CIA, FBI, NSA, and who ever else have done back ground checks on him as they did any other president.

redrum said:
the truth is that we know the least amount about this president than any other in history.

The truth is you CHOOSE TO BELIEVE the least amount of this president than any other in history. That's what it comes down to. Show me the BC of any other previous president. Just one. Or their school records, or their SSN. Your statement is a BS statement which you can't be proven, thus can not be "The Truth". Saying it's the "truth" doesn't make it so.

redrum said:
interesting video:

Michelle Obama: Barack's Home Country Is Kenya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLDHDfPNBME

OMG!!!! You found it. It's the smoking gun!

Another example of those who scream the loudest about "arguing the facts" show very little logic and analytical skills.
 
orwellian said:
I just told you that I am not interested in it either. But I am interested to know why you still defend him. I have kept iterating that questions in this thread several times and I believe no one has been able to answer that question.

which question ABOUT THIS SUPPOSED MYSTERY about Obama's history is that?

It is not a real birth certificate. A real one would be the one that is issued to you by the hospital when you are born. But again, I agree this is not particular interesting.

Birth certificates are not issued by hospitals.


I rather you answered me this:

clearly you are not talking to me. you are mistaken my interest in the issue behind the big fat fake "mystery" of the person vs the politics. I'm not interested in politics. Although, all this "mystery" is being generated to try to discredit Obama and I find it childish & frankly shows very little intelligence on the part of those who continue to perpetuate these unsubstantiated rumors.
 
mini said:
Birth certificates are not issued by hospitals.

"These forms are completed by the attendant at birth or a hospital administrator, which are then forwarded to a local or state registrar, who stores the record and issues certified copies when requested."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate#Birth_certificates_in_the_United_States


mini said:
clearly you are not talking to me. you are mistaken my interest in the issue behind the big fat fake "mystery" of the person vs the politics. I'm not interested in politics. Although, all this "mystery" is being generated to try to discredit Obama and I find it childish & frankly shows very little intelligence on the part of those who continue to perpetuate these unsubstantiated rumors.

Yes I am talking to you. You are not interested in politics? That's a funny statement given how many times we have debated political issues you and I.

So besides this "mystery" issue. You don't support presidents Obama's policies?
 
mini said:
You just don't want to believe it. Thus your skills of logic & reason are put into doubt.

mini if you have read my previous posts you'll find that i really could care less about obama. you know that my main objective is to point the attention to the real enemies of the country i.e. the bankers, wall st. crooks and mega corporations.

i harp on obama to give focus to the debate because he is their pitch man. and if you think otherwise then you are deluding yourself. you do not get to the oval office these days unless you are already bought and paid for. again it's nothing against the man personally. i'm sure he'd be great to have a beer with. i'll bet he has some stories to tell.

i am against obama however for the same reasons i was against bush I, bush II and clinton. they all work for the same team. they are all employees of their corporate masters. surely you see this. surely you see that no matter who is in office, the real agenda never changes. this is what i'm trying to expose.

we're still fighting that war on drugs. why? because that war is never meant to be won.

we're still in iraq. why? because there never was an exit strategy.

we're still engaged in other wars abroad. why? because the military machine that runs washington constantly needs war. we spend over $1 trillion on our foreign policy each yr. we have installations in over 140 countries.

this is what i'm trying to get across to you, that obama is part of this established system. the agenda has only expanded since he has been in office.

he is not some outsider who rode into the oval office on a wave of populist support. sure, that's what they would like you to believe. and after 8 years of the moron bush, he's the perfect candidate that people wanted to have.

the joke however is on the people. why? because nothing will change mini, in fact just the opposite - the agenda will only continue.

i'm not saying to abandon hope and real change, just don't expect it to come from another person. don't expect it to come from obama. it has to come from within us, not somebody else.
 
redrum said:
sounds like you've got some anger management issues to deal with my friend.
unfortunately you are drinking heavy amounts of the kool aid. you internalize any attacks against obama as attacks against yourself. this is because you, like so many others, have been literally brainwashed by the mainstream media propaganda that is brand obama.

Dude, sometimes your ridiculousness is too good to be true! Thanks for making my day. Spanish class was tough this morning and I needed a good laugh!

You have been conditioned to believe that anybody who criticizes obama must be a racist.
Not at all. Rather I believe that people like you who are paranoid about Obama's IDENTITY are racists. Stick to his actual politics and trust me there's is plenty of disagreement to be had.

Oh, and I love the idea that I've been "conditioned" to believe this or that! It's like you're reading the script of Mel Gibson's "Conspiracy Theory" as you're typing your posts.


obama is more than just a man to you. he is a brand. you like him because of the way he makes you feel about yourself. you have emotional investment in him. this is why you get so emotionally upset whenever anybody makes what in your mind are outlandish accusations against your president.
Actually, I'm pretty much a straight up policy wonk with a robust sense of humor (in that I find people like you funny rather than pathetic). But I would like to give a shout-out to Mini for her point about CRAZY FUCKERS LIKE YOU being the real issue in American politics today.

first what you need to understand is that i am not a right winger as you put it. I am a political atheist. i believe in the constitution.
I love how right wingers always try to claim that they're not right wingers. Orwellian is a "socialist," JaredWB is a "libertarian," and you are an, um, "atheist"? Anyway, what you all have in common is that YOU CAUCUS WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY which means for all practical purposes you are on the wrong side of virtually every issue. The membership disclaimer is just part of your crazy hobo charm.

If you have read my previous posts then you know that I am not anti obama. I am against obama for the same reasons I was against bush.
Dude, I understand that you don't speak English very well. But please be aware that if you say in one sentence that you are "not anti obama" and in the next that you are "against obama" you come across as a little confused. To be against Obama is to be anti-Obama. That's what the word "anti" means.

Close Guantanamo - it's still open

True, dat. You are absolutely right to bring it up. So why not focus on the Gitmo problem rather than the nutty birth certificate nonsense or 16,000 IRS agent crapola? We could have a productive discussion, one in which we are likely to find much common ground.
Repeal the patriot act - he renewed it

Another good point, sort of. He campaigned that he would revise it, not repeal it. But it's true that he signed a one-year extension without revision, supposedly in order to make sure they get the law right when it becomes permanent. We'll see what happens.

Not use signing statements - he fully plans to use them

He PLANS to use them? Are you living in his head? He has already used them. Even so, when did he say he would never use them? Please post references for your claims. I'm not saying here that you are wrong, just that you need corroboration.

Stop wars abroad - he's increased them

Patently false and you know it. He promised to pull out of Iraq and expand the war in Afghanistan. He has done the later and is stalling on the former. If we're not out of Iraq by 2012 it's unlikely that he will be reelected.

Stop the stimulus bailouts - they only increased

You are confused. The bank bailouts (TARP) was one legislation, passed under Bush, and the stimulus package another, passed under Obama. Obama has consistently said he would continue to promote Keynesian stimulus spending to bolster the economy. Additional bailouts have never been rejected. And for better or worse he has always supported other corporate bailouts (like GM).

Again I repeat this is not an attack against obama. This has nothing to do with obama. the real banker agenda has never changed. The real enemies are obama's handlers, the faces you never see, the puppet masters, the crooks on wall st., the mega bankers, mega corporations et al. those are the ones we need to be fighting against, not ourselves.

This just sounds crazy. There is nothing wrong with criticizing the policies of a president or any other figure. In fact, it's a responsibility in a democratic society. But when you start up with the crazy shit - we'll that's just plain useless. Might as well talk about ferries dancing on the tip of your nose. If you want to help people, pick something like the Iraq war pledge and pick it apart in all it's complexities. The rest of it is just a waste of our time and believe it or not, yours too.
 
redrum said:
mini if you have read my previous posts you'll find that i really could care less about obama. you know that my main objective is to point the attention to the real enemies of the country i.e. the bankers, wall st. crooks and mega corporations.

i harp on obama to give focus to the debate because he is their pitch man. and if you think otherwise then you are deluding yourself. you do not get to the oval office these days unless you are already bought and paid for. again it's nothing against the man personally. i'm sure he'd be great to have a beer with. i'll bet he has some stories to tell.

i am against obama however for the same reasons i was against bush I, bush II and clinton. they all work for the same team. they are all employees of their corporate masters. surely you see this. surely you see that no matter who is in office, the real agenda never changes. this is what i'm trying to expose.

we're still fighting that war on drugs. why? because that war is never meant to be won.

we're still in iraq. why? because there never was an exit strategy.

we're still engaged in other wars abroad. why? because the military machine that runs washington constantly needs war. we spend over $1 trillion on our foreign policy each yr. we have installations in over 140 countries.

this is what i'm trying to get across to you, that obama is part of this established system. the agenda has only expanded since he has been in office.

he is not some outsider who rode into the oval office on a wave of populist support. sure, that's what they would like you to believe. and after 8 years of the moron bush, he's the perfect candidate that people wanted to have.

the joke however is on the people. why? because nothing will change mini, in fact just the opposite - the agenda will only continue.

i'm not saying to abandon hope and real change, just don't expect it to come from another person. don't expect it to come from obama. it has to come from within us, not somebody else.

Fine, that's all well & good. Those are issues which are worthy of discussion, I'm sure, for those who are inclined. I'd probably agree with you on a few of them. But throwing your hat in with the Obama-mystery-theorists-birther-bull-shiters doesn't advance your cause. Not to mention you lose credibility because it shows you can't separate the wheat from the chaff (so to speak).
 
Choripán said:
Dude, sometimes your ridiculousness is too good to be true! Thanks for making my day. Spanish class was tough this morning and I needed a good laugh!

again stop trying to classify me as some crazy right winger. you don't know me and i don't know you. i love how anybody who is against your precious obama is either a crazy right winger, a moron, insane or on drugs. incredible.

i repeat that it's ppl like you who continue to perpetuate race because whether you realize it or not, you've been classically conditioned to see dissenters as racists. i most certainly am not paranoid about the issue.

again, you've got some anger management issues to sort out as you delight in cursing and attacking people as if that's your only mode of communication. i'm sure you enjoy being smug and condescending but try relaxing a little.

maybe we can communicate in spanish if that's better for you. you can get some practice in. ;)

you fail to see the forest from the trees. you seem to think the real issues in today's american politics stem from "crazy fuckers". why not ask yourself what made these ppl so crazy in the first place?

are you not able to see how obama is tied to the establishment? that he is nothing more than an employee of the global elite? when i said that i am not anti obama, i meant that i am not against the man personally. i could care less about obama. read my most recent response to mini.

i am against obama for the same reasons i was against bush I, bush II and clinton. they all work for the same team.

looking at it in general terms, the wars abroad have increased. you don't find that this flies in the face of what he campaigned on? the general gist of what he campaigned on was stopping the wars and the massive spending for said wars. instead, we are still in iraq, afghanistan has increased and the pakistan campaigns are new. thus, the wars, the military activity, the spending etc have all increased.

my point on the signing statements was that he heavily criticized bush for using them. and then what does he do? exactly the same.

my point on the bailout/stimulus money is that the massive spending is a continuation of what bush started. the goal is to put the country into a debt so large that it will never be paid back and that is exactly where we find ourselves.

calling it keynesian economics to me is simply a smoke screen. we all know it will never work. there will be no recovery. the country is broke and our only way out is a default, either straight up or via money printing, which is another form of default - and thus destroying the dollar. all obama's doing is delaying the inevitable.

but again, this is not an attack against the man himself. what i'm trying to get you to see is that the agenda that bush II was overseeing is still intact. obama is simply the continuation of said agenda.

you can call it crazy all you want. it's happening all around you - one world government, a world central bank, one currency, global carbon credits, a VAT tax - these are what the global elite have in store for us.

yummy yummy.
 
I leave the U.S. to get away from this crap!! Can't you people ever just be happy. You are living in Buenos Aires!! :)
 
(Sorry if this, or something like it, has been said already)

The US hasn't changed it's ways much under Obama, but during his presidency I'm sure he, his lawmakers and the voters will have wreaked much less destruction on the world (relative to the 2000 - 2008 period).
 
redrum said:
mini if you have read my previous posts you'll find that i really could care less about obama.

Redrum, you need to work on your English as well as on your thinking.

"I really could care less" implies that you DO care, and could care less.

You should have said: "I couldn't care less".

Sign me,

A happy Obama supporter and English grammar nit-picker
 
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