Where to start learning about taxes/Pensionado visa?

Although I didn't have access to AI at the time I received this advice (mid-2024), I do now. So, I just plugged Article 116 into Chat (the paid version) and asked it specifically the following (roughly translated) question: How many days of absence can a foreigner on a temporary residency have from Argentina to not become a tax resident?

Chat pointed out what I already knew: the wording of 116 is ambiguous and doesn't answer the question. It then offered to dig further into ACRA's regulations (to do, in effect, what I paid my adviser to do). I accepted the offer, and, after several minutes of thinking, it came back with the answer: 90 days.

So we have a case of art imitating life: a professional (paid) human opinion is subsequently validated by the machine. Again, though, I reiterate: everyone should get their own advice.
Thanks for the clarification of your source. These days whenever something is well-formatted, with bullet points, it raises alarms for me because (as in Steve's case) words and phrases that co-occur in close textual space can morph into 'facts' and cause LLMs to 'hallucinate'. I'm not a computer pro, but I knew a lot of people working with LLMs in the early 2000s, and I was really interested in the topic. The field was a lot less developed in those days, so it was easier to conceptualize the nuts and bolts of how it worked, in a layperson's limited way. A lot of it just boils down to repetition and proximity of words in text; which works to produce faithful answers... until it doesn't.

So I'm glad you heard it from a trained human!
 
Hi friends, my first Forum post. I'm looking to retire to Buenos Aires next year. I've already done a little bit of homework on line. I know that the ultimate answer is going to be to talk to an accountant here in Buenos Aires, but I just wanted to start getting my feet wet and I like to do as much research as possible before sitting down with a professional accountant.

I would be moving down here with a USA government pension, as well as still owning property in the USA, and various retirement accounts. I'm trying to figure out the wealth tax and how that all works.

Then as far as the Visa itself, I'm wondering if I can do that before I leave the United States? I also have dual citizenship with Italy, would there be any advantage to moving to Argentina as an Italian citizen instead of a USA citizen? The dive into Italian taxes and talking with accountants there brought me more towards this hemisphere!

Anyway, I probably could have a hundred more questions, but if you made it this far, I really appreciate you reading this and any insight is appreciated.
No tax. Simple.
 
So I'm glad you heard it from a trained human!
OK, but I did make that clear in the initial post.

Some of us learned how to write carefully (and with bullet points and other punctuation) long before Chat made it fashionable. Long before Sam Altman was even born. On the accuracy of AI, I do think it has a lot to do with how carefully we think through the question we want answered and how precisely we frame it in writing. Humans aren't very good at that, as the questions posed on this board often show.
 
On tax, wishing to do your homework is wise and commendable:

1) This is what (in effect) the ganancias (income tax) law currently says:
  • You will become a tax resident of Argentina once you have completed 12 months as a temporary resident “visa” holder (unless you stayed outside Argentina for 90 days during the 365 days), i.e., once the National Migration Directorate issues you a temporary residency (in the category of "pensionista" in your case) and a national identity document, the clock towards tax residency starts to tick.
  • Once a tax resident, you will pay ganancias (income tax) on your income if your income (including your pension and any other investment income you may have) is over the minimum threshold (currently around 2,400,000 pesos per month for a single person, but the government indexes the number upwards to keep pace with inflation and other considerations).
  • If you have stayed out of the country for 90 days in each of the three years of your National Migration Directorate-issued temporary pensionista residency and thereby avoided becoming a tax resident, once you become a permanent resident (i.e., from the fourth year), you are now a tax resident regardless of how much time you spend outside the country in any given year. (Mind you, having gained tax residency, you can lose it by subsequently spending less than 90 days in a 365-day period inside the country.)
2) This is what (in effect) the 2019 law on solidaridad social y reactivación productiva en el marco de la emergencia pública says about bienes personales (the wealth tax).
  • If you are a tax resident under the ganancias (income tax) law, you are also liable to pay bienes personales (the wealth tax) on your worldwide assets.
The bienes personales (wealth tax) rate is falling toward zero under the current government (and the asset value threshold at which it kicks in is rising). The asset value is a snapshot taken on 31 December of each year. The current rate is 1.25% for 31 December 2024, dropping in each of the next three years to settle at 0.25% for 31 December 2027 (if the current government survives). If the opposition returns, either before or after the 2027 election, the rate may well rise again (and the threshold fall), perhaps even as high as the 2.25% rate during the Fernandez government.

The bottom line:

You can delay becoming a tax resident and thus delay paying income tax on your pension and other income, as well as the wealth tax on your worldwide assets, by staying outside Argentina for at least 90 days in each of the three years of your temporary residency. Or, if you don't stay out of the country for 90 days in the first 365 days, you are a tax resident from day 366 of your stay here. However, even if you play the 90-day game for the first three years, once you hit permanent residency (the fourth year of your Argentina retirement adventure), you unavoidably are a tax resident and thus liable (to the extent your income and assets are over the respective thresholds) to both income tax and the wealth tax.

And yes, you will need the services of a professional tax accountant (I'm not one, but I can read legislation and also paid a professional to get the above advice) to confirm the facts as I have summarized them and that they are still current (the government is talking about a comprehensive tax reform bill, but that may never come given the currently political and economic instability). And to get a feel for the extent to which you could get away with not registering for or paying either tax, and how comfortable you would be with doing so.

Are you sure about that threshold number being monthly? It’s something I’ll likely have to traverse soon, and I am reading into it at the moment. It appears that threshold number, from what I can see, is in fact annual?
 
Not sure how to edit my post, sorry, but I have now found sources calling those numbers ‘mensuales’. But similarly calling those numbers ‘anuales’ - a little confused…
 
Everything here, and elsewhere in Latin America, is monthly.

(If you're seriously considering signing up to ACRA and starting to pay tax, get professional advice first. As Bajo says (in his inimitable style, for his own reasons, and using Argentine logic) and many others will too: Don't do it.

From what you've posted before, you're some time off tax residency. Plenty of time to do decide what is best now and in the longer term.)
 
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Everything here, and elsewhere in Latin America, is monthly.

(If you're seriously considering signing up to ACRA and starting to pay tax, get professional advice first. As Bajo says (in his inimitable style, for his own reasons, and using Argentine logic) and many others will too: Don't do it.

From what you've posted before, you're some time off tax residency. Plenty of time to do decide what is best now and in the longer term.)
Thanks for the response! I should get PR sometime very soon, so I’m just thinking ahead at the moment. I might be liable for, very little, ganancias and/or wealth tax.

I will have a - further - read on the forum regarding the logic about (not) signing up to ARCA and (not) paying tax. Again, anything that I would be liable for at this stage would be negligible, and if that is common advice I have no issue following it. But certainly interested in the wisdom behind it, so will do my research.
 
You indicated when you joined the site that you were looking at staying here via civil union. The recent changes to Migraciones seem to indicate that residency by marriage or civil union no longer leads to PR directly, but instead, like the other categories, to temporary residency initially. And only after 12 months of temporary residency would you (on the above understanding of the rules) find yourself a tax resident and need to find out how to register and how and when to pay, in what amounts.
 
You indicated when you joined the site that you were looking at staying here via civil union. The recent changes to Migraciones seem to indicate that residency by marriage or civil union no longer leads to PR directly, but instead, like the other categories, to temporary residency initially. And only after 12 months of temporary residency would you (on the above understanding of the rules) find yourself a tax resident and need to find out how to register and how and when to pay, in what amounts.
That’s right, but in fact I got my application done just before that came into effect and so my application is for PR.

And, as I understand, as a PR you are liable to pay taxes even if you only spend a day in the country - which seems pretty crazy.

Fortunately, I shouldn’t be liable to much tax (if any) for some time.
 
And, as I understand, as a PR you are liable to pay taxes even if you only spend a day in the country - which seems pretty crazy.
If you only spend one day in the country, or even any number between 1 and 90, you lose your tax residency. See my first post.
 
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