Will the Falklands debacle soon be repeated?

scarface said:
Why doesnt GB just give the islands to AR in exchange for a 30 year (or so) lease including the rights to all off shore mining and drilling....
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But, but, but --- (sputtering up my coffee) -- that would mean the end of the British empire. It would mean the end of croquet on the lawn, afternoon tea under the shade of some tree, and lording it over the natives. Just won't wash, old boy. Can't let the side down. White man's burden and all that. And besides, don't the Falklands provide employment to some superannuated old codger who's governor-general of the place?
 
“The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the second is war. Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists.” – Ernest Hemingway
 
In London, however, there were only tears. Some 649 British servicemen had been killed, with more than 1,000 wounded and no fewer than 11,313 taken prisoner and shipped to an internment camp outside Buenos Aires.

News that Prince Harry — who had insisted on serving on the front line — had been captured seemed only to pile humiliation on humiliation.

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Tears: News that Prince Harry, who had insisted on serving
on the front line, had been captured seemed only to pile
humiliation on humiliation

And though the Argentines promised to release him in time for the Olympics, the day has come and yet he is still in captivity.

Daily Mail.co.uk
Prince Harry captured.
600 of our soldiers killed.
In this terrifying plausible account.
The day the Argies retook the Falklands :p
 
I heard there could be 65 billion barrels around the Falklands (this is aside from Argentine Antartica, Patagonia, the north and conventional and unconventional tar sands on land)

The problem is that there is political capital to be gained from throwing weight around on both sides. Somehow we get all excited and love to talk about it...
...until we find ourselves in the middle of it all.

If there are 65 million barrels of oil then that's $6565billion of oil. The last war cost the UK < £3 billion but added 3% political popularity boost(?!). Arms manufactures and the forces were then seen as justified. The political cost, as in Libya (etc!) was not taken into account. Both are as bad as each other, using fighting to distract from everyday problems.

The best outcome for all parties is to come to a tax agreement. Likewise, Argentina could look for a soft way to intercept the oil. But this won't happen because there are too many unified powers that want an all out war.

An ex naval commander called for a nuclear sub to be parked and aimed off of BA; clearly the UK has a discipline problem with it's officers as well.
Argentina and the UK have a lot in common.
 
There are 2 islands just share them .... end of story : )
But seriously, if we ever get to learn to share this planet instead of killing would be awesome. Have an "Asado "with the british right there in the Malvinas
 
And to think of all the bloodshed, the shame on the families, the indignity, when Britain stole those islands from Argentina.
 
Markgeezer said:
And to think of all the bloodshed, the shame on the families, the indignity, when Britain stole those islands from Argentina.
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There's a pretty strong argument that GB did not steal the islands from AR. Moreover, that kind of language is antithetical to peaceful resolution of the dispute.
p.s. To think of all the bloodshed, the shame of the families, the INDIGNITY when AR started a war to assert its claim to the islands (and lost).
 
If there is indeed oil reserves in the area, they have not been confirmed in the past three decades. If the issue is that islands should belong to the closest continental nations becuause of geography, then Canada would be having a dispute with France over St.Pierre and Miquelon, which are peacefully a part of France only 20 km. from Newfoundland. As I have said before, they are simply not worth another war.
 
I should remark you that Argentina is not claiming the islands just now but have been doing it unrelentingly since 1833, when Argentina's living and managing the islands that were part of Argentina where evicted by force by the USA, in consequence of this the English took the opportunity to steal and take possession of the islands ignoring those claims, all this with the consenting and approval of USA. Since then the islands status has been in dispute, 1982 mark a chapter in all this saga but the dispute and claims are continuing until if possible it's resolved peacefully, but as we all know the more powerful have the last word in these matters it's probable the islands status will continue in that vein for the foreseeable future until Argentina is to become powerful enough and with trusted allied countries to take by force what once was part of her territory. Sad it may be but unfortunately still nowadays the way countries resolve these kind of disputes, humankind still a barbaric uncivilized mob, look around the world and you will see the facts.

Please read a bit of this country history and the British quest for domination.

Falklands/Malvinas controversy: “Minds closed, indeed”

"While on the subject of conflicts with Argentina, they (the British) tried to invade us twice before 1833 and failed both times — in 1806 and 1807 (episodes practically absent from any British historiography apart from a fleeting mention in the British Army Museum in London where in a Napoleonic war-room “Attack on Buenos Aires in 1807”, on a map is the only reference, according to Rosendo Fraga’s “La Argentina y la versión británica del Imperio”, (January, 2005)"

Argentina's claim on the Falklands is still a good one

People sometimes ask me why Argentinians make such an endless fuss about the islands they call Las Malvinas.

The answer is simple. The Falklands belong to Argentina.

They just happen to have been seized, occupied, populated and defended by Britain.

Because Argentina's claim is perfectly valid, its dispute with Britain will never go away, and because much of Latin America is now falling into the hands of the nationalist left, the government in Buenos Aires will enjoy growing rhetorical support in the continent (and indeed elsewhere, from the current government in Iraq, for example), to the increasing discomfiture of Britain. All governments in Argentina, of whatever stripe, will continue to claim the Malvinas, just as governments in Belgrade will always lay claim to Kosovo.

The Falklands were seized for Britain in January 1833 during an era of dramatic colonial expansion. Captain John Onslow of HMS Clio had instructions "to exercise the rights of sovereignty" over the islands, and he ordered the Argentinian commander to haul down his flag and withdraw his forces. Settlers from Argentina were replaced by those from Britain and elsewhere, notably Gibraltar. Britain and Argentina have disagreed ever since about the rights and wrongs of British occupation, and for much of the time the British authorities have been aware of the relative weakness of their case.

Cheers
 
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