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Light years ahead of attempting to discuss anything in an arg forum or newspaper comment section, I can tell you that for sure...

Bajo_cero2: I said you would only get one message from me, so I should save you plenty of time. I can't see your messages unless I access anonymously, since you're on the ignore list since day one, but I see you've been desperately having a conversation with yourself. I'm not even Argentinean...

The problem with Argentines is they see everything through the lens of a football hooligan. A lot don't really care about corruption as long as their favorite government figures are "winning". It's not about eliminating corruption for them, its about being ahead of the game. It is an infantile...

. Spot on. Whats worse, and I say this with no intention whatsoever to offend the guy or anyone, is that, if people like bajocero who are professionals or have advanced academic studies think this way, there is no hope for those truly in material and academic disadvantage. Truly sad.

Someone was bound to vote No, and it couldn´t have been more predictable. Pathetic.

It's good to hear from the perspective of someone that grew up there, but all the issues you mentioned are widespread in Argentina. Drug abuse? Gambling? Lack of democratic principles and dishonesty? Come on... And, again, high cost of living. What things cost does not actually matter as much...

Overall great thread, by the way

It all comes down to what I said, though. Would the average Argentine be the way you portray them if they had access to high credit and very high wages like Australians? I find it extremely hard to believe they would be

Pretty interesting. Pretty ironic considering the Chinese political ideology. Fair points, but don't you think the fact those middle class Argentines you mention don't have as high a level or purchasing power or access to goods or gadgets as the average Australian have something to do with...

Completely disagree. In fact, I come from a Latin country and would say Latin American countries are disgustingly materialistic when given the chance. Hard to have as much access to gadgets when you earn so little too, so there's that. And many (most) Argentines who travel abroad don't earn much...

One last thing. Picture just how well the average Argentine would be able to manage 90.000 pesos a month, an average Australian wage in arg currency. Kinda hilarious to even mentalize It, isn't it?

We're comparing people who earn, on average, $7000 a year with people that earn $35.000. It doesn't tell the whole picture, of course not, but it is something to take into account.

Not directly, but this country is a serial defaulter, and it is naive to think the people have had nothing to do with it, with the people they put in power and continue to support no matter what. I have said a lot already, and history is there for anyone to see. And just because those two...

This is the root of all problems. The rest are details. Most will never understand this, and how can they? Argentines are addicted to spending with no remorse. And ultimately blaming it on someone else, of course.

I can attest to that Source: I...am part of the Macri Illuminati

At least you got one thing right: I am -highly likely- right. I´m not gonna explain what I´ve already done pages ago, for real. And I´ve answered your questions when you repeatedly avoided mine. If you want to know my answer, read my posts again.

Thanks, but I don´t need any refreshing or article stating everything I´ve known for a long time already. Let´s leave it at that since I think at this point we are both wasting our time. Just one thing, though. One has to be extremely naive, to say the least, to take everything a politician says...

And your reply oversimplifies how hard it is to get anything done in this country or even attempt to change the status quo, from which, by the way -so there are no doubts about what I´m saying at this point- Macri´s own family benefits. I never said he has no control over the economy, but it...

Now, answer my question regarding your proposed solution, if you will

I told you to read again as I don´t think you understood what I said. I repeat, for the last time, they took on debt to finance the fiscal deficit. Have they been efficient at it? No. When did I glorify Macri or his government? I agree with you on him being a disappointment, but once again, what...