A Sad Day For All Cristina Supporters...de Vido Detained

(Australia) Apart from having the English monarch as a nominal head of state (which will disappear as soon as we have a referendum)

You had a referendum on that in 1999 and came to the conclusion that having the British monarch as Head of State was the worst possible option - apart from all the others.

Apart from Switzerland, who seem to do referendums rather well and use them as a tool of government, all the recent referendums I can think of (Hungary, Scotland, Brexit, Catalunia) have been an absolute disaster, regardless of the outcome. They've been forced on populations by small groups of shouty people, caused upset, division, acrimony and violence and left the minority feeling excluded. Is that really what you want for Australia?
 
AMADO BUDU el guru de la secta K..... Another PERONISTA MAFIA MEMBER ARRESTED this morning :D !!!
Can't wait for the Cristina show!!! Ha ha ha ...

Bajo, how are you feeling about Budu's arrest? Bad bad Macri :mad: ;) :p !!! how unjust hey? Any insights on a strategy to defend this 'Politically persecuted' character ??? "The best minister of economy" the country has ever had according to the Peronista Delia. Poor Cristina :rolleyes: :p !!! Ha ha ha !
Peronismo, el fascismo argentino
https://www.youtube....h?v=-UpXIVamXDk

Not looking good for Cristina, the big difference here being that actual proof of her alleged misdemeanours is required, unless I'm mistaken.
It's also interesting to note that some commentators on the late night TN political shows were proposing that she's a special case and that detaining an ex-president is a big deal. Should be handled differently, that kind of thing.
As far as I'm concerned, she's a citizen like everyone else at the moment, until she gets that sham of immunity from her swearing in as a senator in December.
 
Not looking good for Cristina, the big difference here being that actual proof of her alleged misdemeanours is required, unless I'm mistaken.
It's also interesting to note that some commentators on the late night TN political shows were proposing that she's a special case and that detaining an ex-president is a big deal. Should be handled differently, that kind of thing.
As far as I'm concerned, she's a citizen like everyone else at the moment, until she gets that sham of immunity from her swearing in as a senator in December.
The bigger the 'fish' ..the more time it takes to cook ha ha ha..I'm confident that the strategy is to prepare the general public by parading her corrupto buddies/accomplices till it reaches a fever pitch ...only then will they finally wheel her in too... I'm impatient but I have my champagne bottle ready :D .
 
You had a referendum on that in 1999 and came to the conclusion that having the British monarch as Head of State was the worst possible option - apart from all the others.

Apart from Switzerland, who seem to do referendums rather well and use them as a tool of government, all the recent referendums I can think of (Hungary, Scotland, Brexit, Catalunia) have been an absolute disaster, regardless of the outcome. They've been forced on populations by small groups of shouty people, caused upset, division, acrimony and violence and left the minority feeling excluded. Is that really what you want for Australia?

Thanks for making me laugh out loud. Do you know anything about the circumstances of the last referendum and how people feel about the issue now? A lot can happen in 18 years.
 
As a part time resident possessing limited Spanish language skills, it is hard for me to follow local current events. This is especially true after the sad demise of the BA Herald a short while ago. The BA Times, an insert in the Saturday edition of Perfil, is an offshoot of the Herald. Many senior staffers from the Herald write columns for the Times. This article by Augustino Fontevecchia merits, in my opinion, full reproduction here. It galvanizes some thoughts I was incapable of doing myself.


Julio De Vido: bread and circus. (And champagne.)

Today, De Vido’s closest advisors are in jail. Despite the weight of the evidence, De Vido deserves a fair trial.
Saturday 28 October, 2017


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Agustino Fontevecchia

Julio De Vido. Foto:pablo Temes - Cedoc.




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“Send a bottle of champagne to Dr. Carrió,” were Julio De Vido’s last words to the press as a free man on Wednesday as he walked into the Comodoro Py courthouse, escorted by his lawyers. Hours later, he would find himself behind bars at the Ezeiza Federal Prison, alongside illustrious Kirchneristas including Lázaro Báez, José López, and César Milani.
While his imprisonment is certainly well deserved, De Vido — who was both Néstor and Cristina Fernández de Kirchner’s planning minister, in charge of public works and one of the only ones to last all 12 years of the K administrations — needs to be quickly accused of graft and taken to trial, where any impartial judge would most probably find him guilty. De Vido’s arrest could be the beginning of an Argentine version of Lava Jato — the Brazilian graft investigation led by Judge Sergio Moro which is unravelling the country’s public-private structure of power and corruption — or an ominous indication that President Mauricio Macri and his Cambiemos coalition (Let’s Change) is ready to use the judicial power to further its political needs. Let me explain.
Back in 2003, victorious and virtually unknown, Néstor Kirchner became president of Argentina and started to seduce the population with his charisma. This publishing house’s magazine Noticias decided to pose a critical eye on the Patagonian head of state and his acolytes. “The untouchables,” was our first cover featuring De Vido, who had been with Néstor since he became mayor of Rio Gallegos in 1987, capital of Santa Cruz Province. “The cashier,” was how we dubbed him that October, when he graced Noticias’ cover for a second time, a nickname that sticks to this day. As the Noticias team began to scratch beneath the surface, De Vido and Kirchner’s shady dealings at the municipal, then provincial (Kirchner held the governorship of Santa Cruz before becoming president), and finally at national level became increasingly clearer. By 2007, while almost every major news outlet, including Clarín and La Nación, covered the Kirchner administration favourably, we directly denounced him as the leader of a criminal organisation that was siphoning out hundreds of millions of dollars off of public works and energy projects.
With the added manpower of the Perfil newspaper, we followed De Vido closely, breaking the story of the Skanska case, the first major corruption investigation tied to the minister. We covered his dealings with Venezuela, as Hugo Chávez and the Kirchners mounted a parallel embassy in Caracas, supervised by De Vido’s men, where Argentina, locked out of international debt markets, received financing and hard currency in exchange for energy investments in Venezuela’s Orinoco field. It would be hard to forget Antonini Wilson, the Venezuelan national who was stopped in customs trying to bring US$800.000 into the country in his luggage in 2007. According to the FBI, with whom Wilson later collaborated, those petrodollars were provided by Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA and were destined to finance Cristina’s presidential campaign that year.
Today, De Vido’s closest advisors are in jail. Ricardo Jaime, his transport secretary, was taken into custody last year through a probe into the fraudulent acquisition of Spanish and Portuguese trains in 2005, the vast majority of which didn’t work. José López, his public works secretary, was caught throwing a duffel bag containing over US$9 million over the walls of a monastery. Finally, Roberto Baratta, De Vido’s right-hand man, turned himself in last week over charges involving the US$6.9- billion purchase of natural liquified gas.
Despite the weight of the evidence, De Vido deserves a fair trial. Emboldened by a landslide victory in last week’s legislative elections, Macri’s coalition led a vote in the lower house to strip De Vido of the immunity granted to national deputies, in the absence of a conviction. Judges who were complacent during the heydays of Kirchnerismo have smelled the blood in the water, and are now aggressively targeting those heavily suspected of having orchestrated the K cash machine. While those arrests earn judges and the government political points, they must respect due process in order to not lose legitimacy.
Hopefully, De Vido’s detention will lead to the truth coming out, which would then incriminate all those responsible, from politicians to businessmen. Many are yearning to see CFK suffer the same fate. Yet, for this to become our very own Lava Jato we need more than the politically palatable prosecution of De Vido, and even Cristina. Deep judicial reform that limits the impunity of judges and prosecutors, while giving them the tools to pursue public-private crime, must eliminate the incentives that generate collusion with whoever is in power. Unless Macri moves in that direction, this is just bread and circus. And champagne.
 
Whilst most of us agree that De Vido and his acolytes deserve a fair trial, I would take issue with Nestor Kirchner being described as 'charismatic'. I've seen more charisma on a dead sheep.
And those judges, kindly referred to as complacent during the K era, had been leant on or influenced in some other manner. Oyarbide being the most emblematic judge of the entire era.
https://www.infobae.com/politica/2016/10/05/norberto-oyarbide-con-nuevo-look-y-mas-problemas-judiciales/
 
AMADO BUDU el guru de la secta K..... Another PERONISTA MAFIA MEMBER ARRESTED this morning :D !!!
Can't wait for the Cristina show!!! Ha ha ha ...

Oh! My sincere apologies for associating Peronists with Kirchenristas! I forgot that Ks are now NOT peronists anymore...ha ha.

Bajo, how are you feeling about Budu's arrest? Bad bad Macri :mad: ;) :p !!! how unjust hey? Any insights on a strategy to defend this 'Politically persecuted' character ??? "The best minister of economy" the country has ever seen according to the Peronista Delia. Poor Cristina :rolleyes: :p !!! Ha ha ha !
Peronismo, el fascismo argentino
https://www.youtube....h?v=-UpXIVamXDk

Boudou comes from the UCEDE, the local liberal party.

https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amado_Boudou

His arrest is an scandal. He is a former Vice President.

The main issue here is the lack of respect of due process because the President press Federal Judges.

The second and most important is regarding Duran Barba. He asserted some time ago that Hitler was a spectacular guy.

http://noticias.perfil.com/2013/11/08/duran-barba-desatado-hitler-era-un-tipo-espectacular/

Reading about how Hitler acchieved power, it is scary because one of the 25 points of Munich was regarding to abolish parliamentary privileges that was used later to persecute political opposition and send them to jail without due process.

D' Elia is a good example of how the system should work. He was sentenced and during the whole process he was free. And he is going to go to jail when SC confirms the sentence, unless the President press his judge too...

He is not peronist neither. He belongs to the christian party and his mother was socialist and anarchist.
https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_D%27El%C3%ADa
 
Do you know what 'protectorate' means? From your response you have no idea, research the word and then return and admit that you got it wrong, if admitting a mistake is within your capabilities that is. And to describe Australia as "to belong to the continuation of the British imperialism" really discredits your argument. The British government has no influence whatsoever on the political system in Australia. Again, when you don't know what you're talking about, just don't comment, you make yourself look foolish.

When the WWII finished, colonialism too. The way british by passed it was creating the commonwealth.

Protectorade means to do not have full sovereignty. The head of the State in Australia is the Queen of England.
https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol%C3%ADtica_de_Australia

However, this is off topic.
 
When the WWII finished, colonialism too. The way british by passed it was creating the commonwealth.

However, this is off topic.

So WW2 ended in 1931? That’s when the Commonwealth was established. But yes, the colonial powers (on the winning side) began to grant independence to colonies after the war (so you don’t have to look it up, that was 1945).

And if it’s off topic why did you raise the subject in the first place?
 
So WW2 ended in 1931? That’s when the Commonwealth was established. But yes, the colonial powers (on the winning side) began to grant independence to colonies after the war (so you don’t have to look it up, that was 1945).

And if it’s off topic why did you raise the subject in the first place?

Because of Macri's Plan about to become Australia. I explained it is an old plan that comes from Peron: to go back to colonialism. Peron changed the British protectorade for the Spaniard colonialism.

Regarding to other question:
http://www.un.org/es/decolonization/
 
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