Am I the only person in Argentina that finds the term "chinito" offensive?

[semigoodlookin]

Lots of purists deeply offended by Argentina racism.

I yet have to see a single post of a single purist concerned of offended or speaking out about any shortcomings of his/her own country.

I´ll believe you when I read your posts.

Till then, it is just hypocrisy!

I still have no idea what you was talking to me about rats and other things. I could not find the text you quoted anywhere. Who said that?

 

[nanu]

And where are they? Back then almost 40% of the Argentine population was black. Where are all the descendants of those freed Argentine slaves? Oh yes, they were either killed or fled to Brazil or Uruguay.

Blackout: How Argentina ‘Eliminated’ Africans From Its History And Conscience

excuse me, where on earth did u get this information from?

 

[nanu]

The reason why we don’f see it as offensive is because china means girl in quechua and we are used to called girls chinita lovingly


There was no tap water then. Only letrines. Everybody lived in a miserable way. The authorities were scandalized that immigrants lived between so much dirt and so overcrowded.
I can understand that they focus on cleaning because they didn’t know yellow fever was transmied by a mosquito, you have no excuse.
Restriction on movements are normal during plagues.
People from Africa has a stronger immune system. Italians were who suffered it most.

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congrat! A little bit of culture. Trying to raise "conscience" I wonder where do you find it? Can u give me an example?

 

[nanu]

what I don't understand is why some of you feel discriminated in Argentina or by Argentinians and why you are so hurt. What have Argentinians and Argentina done to you to make you feel so angry?

 

[Ries]

what I don't understand is why some of you feel discriminated in Argentina or by Argentinians and why you are so hurt. What have Argentinians and Argentina done to you to make you feel so angry?

There is a difference between feeling "hurt and angry"(I dont) and being sort of disgusted when I see a friend of mine, who is part japanese, and 3rd generation Argentine, cringe every time he hears another argentine use racist slang without thinking about it.

Or many of my 4th and 5th generation jewish Argentine friends, who are from Spain, Italy, Poland, Lebanon, Russia, Germany, Syria, North Africa, Romania, Bulgaria, or even Turkey, ALL being called "Judes". They know how ignorant and full of themselves their neighbors are when they do stuff like this, but they are just tired of the blank stares they get if they act offended.


Using language like this is basically lazy, and rude. It is changing- as I said, most of my young argentine friends, those under 30 or so, dont do it.
The world is always changing, and Argentina is changing too.

The funny thing is- Argentine spanish is a very crazy mix of many languages, from many times- it has, already, changed innumerable times, as it digests new ideas, words from other languages, and people from all over the world. Only a minority of Argentines have ancestors from Spain- Hence, Lunfardo, as well as all the words from other languages heard daily and called "castellano". Language is a living thing- it grows, and mutates, and re-invents itself all the time.

 

[nanu]

excuse me, where on earth did u get this information from?

NOBODY is saying THAT THERE WERE NO BLACKS HERE. THERE WERE VERY FEW FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THERE WAS NOT A NEED OF CHEAP LABOR SINCE THERE WERE NO COTTON FIELDS AS IN USA OR BRAZIL OR EVEN URUGUAY.SO THEY LEFT OR YES THEY EVEN WENT INTO THE ARMY WHERE THEY GOT SOME IMPROVEMENT IN THEIR DAILY LIFE JUST AS IN USA THOSE WHO GET INTO THE ARMY AND GO TO FIGHT IS BECAUSE THEY PREFER THAT THAN STAYING IN A LOW INCOME LIFE.
AS FOR HIGHER CLASSES THIS EXISTS IN INDIA PAKISTAN JAPAN CHINA RUSSIA (THEY HAVE JUST POISSONED A DISSIDENT)FRANCE BELGIUM SWITZERLAND ENGLAND SPAIN ITALY ETC ETC ETC. AS FOR THE NORDIC COUNTRY SO ADMIRED THEY HAVE THE HIGHEST RATE OF KILLING WOMEN BECAUSE OF ALCOHOLISM.
THERE WAS A LARGE POPULATION VERY POOR WHO HAD NO JOB IN ENGLAND OR IRELAND and SCOTLAND-THEIR OWN COUNTRY - OR THEY WERE SENT TO AUSTRALIA AS PRISONERS WHO CAME HERE TO WORK WITH CATTLE SHEEP AND GOATS THEY ALSO BROUGHT THE GOOD MEAT ABERDEENANGUS ETC.THEY STAYED HERE AND MOST OF THEM ARE NOW LANDLORDS AND VERY RICH AND LIVE IN ENLAND BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. YOU DO NOT SEE ONE ENGLISHMAN IN LONDON. IT IS COMPLETELY TAKEN OVER BY OTHER PEOPLE. IN FRANCE THERE ARE 5 MILLION MUSLIMS. SO WHERE IS THE DISCRIMINATION. HERE ANYBODY COMES IN. IN USA YOU HAVE TO BE PERFECTLY HEALTHY OR THEY TURN YOU AWAY AND SUGGEST YOU COME HERE. THIS HAS ALWAYS BEING LIKE THIS AND STILL IS.

 

[Ries]

Ah, history rewrites itself.

I have friends who used to run an Estancia in the north. The idea that there was no need for cheap labor is just silly- On the big estancias, the peones were almost always Gurani. And they seldom got paid much, if any, cash. Mostly got paid in horses and rubber boots and knives, things like that. This was true until quite recently- at least the mid 80s.

And, in the city, there was an enormous amount of cheap labor- it was from Southern Italy, by and large.
Who, exactly, do you think unloaded the ships, built the roads and bridges and buildings and railroads, slaughtered the cows and tanned the hides, worked in the factories, wove the cloth, made the wine, drove the colectivos, and on and on?

Poor italian immigrants, along with other europeans.
And all the abuelos of my friends got paid next to nothing, especially before WW2.

there have always been plenty of poor people in Argentina who work for almost nothing.
Today they are mostly Bolivian, Paraguayan, and, to some degree, Venezuelan.

 

[London2Baires]

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what I don't understand is why some of you feel discriminated in Argentina or by Argentinians and why you are so hurt. What have Argentinians and Argentina done to you to make you feel so angry?

NOBODY is saying THAT THERE WERE NO BLACKS HERE. THERE WERE VERY FEW FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THERE WAS NOT A NEED OF CHEAP LABOR SINCE THERE WERE NO COTTON FIELDS AS IN USA OR BRAZIL OR EVEN URUGUAY.SO THEY LEFT OR YES THEY EVEN WENT INTO THE ARMY WHERE THEY GOT SOME IMPROVEMENT IN THEIR DAILY LIFE JUST AS IN USA THOSE WHO GET INTO THE ARMY AND GO TO FIGHT IS BECAUSE THEY PREFER THAT THAN STAYING IN A LOW INCOME LIFE.
AS FOR HIGHER CLASSES THIS EXISTS IN INDIA PAKISTAN JAPAN CHINA RUSSIA (THEY HAVE JUST POISSONED A DISSIDENT)FRANCE BELGIUM SWITZERLAND ENGLAND SPAIN ITALY ETC ETC ETC. AS FOR THE NORDIC COUNTRY SO ADMIRED THEY HAVE THE HIGHEST RATE OF KILLING WOMEN BECAUSE OF ALCOHOLISM.
THERE WAS A LARGE POPULATION VERY POOR WHO HAD NO JOB IN ENGLAND OR IRELAND and SCOTLAND-THEIR OWN COUNTRY - OR THEY WERE SENT TO AUSTRALIA AS PRISONERS WHO CAME HERE TO WORK WITH CATTLE SHEEP AND GOATS THEY ALSO BROUGHT THE GOOD MEAT ABERDEENANGUS ETC.THEY STAYED HERE AND MOST OF THEM ARE NOW LANDLORDS AND VERY RICH AND LIVE IN ENLAND BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. YOU DO NOT SEE ONE ENGLISHMAN IN LONDON. IT IS COMPLETELY TAKEN OVER BY OTHER PEOPLE. IN FRANCE THERE ARE 5 MILLION MUSLIMS. SO WHERE IS THE DISCRIMINATION. HERE ANYBODY COMES IN. IN USA YOU HAVE TO BE PERFECTLY HEALTHY OR THEY TURN YOU AWAY AND SUGGEST YOU COME HERE. THIS HAS ALWAYS BEING LIKE THIS AND STILL IS.

i) Asks why eveyone who doesnt agree with them is angry.
ii) Writes an angry irrelevant rant in all CAPS.

 

[nanu]

Ah, history rewrites itself.

I have friends who used to run an Estancia in the north. The idea that there was no need for cheap labor is just silly- On the big estancias, the peones were almost always Gurani. And they seldom got paid much, if any, cash. Mostly got paid in horses and rubber boots and knives, things like that. This was true until quite recently- at least the mid 80s.

And, in the city, there was an enormous amount of cheap labor- it was from Southern Italy, by and large.
Who, exactly, do you think unloaded the ships, built the roads and bridges and buildings and railroads, slaughtered the cows and tanned the hides, worked in the factories, wove the cloth, made the wine, drove the colectivos, and on and on?

Poor italian immigrants, along with other europeans.
And all the abuelos of my friends got paid next to nothing, especially before WW2.

there have always been plenty of poor people in Argentina who work for almost nothing.
Today they are mostly Bolivian, Paraguayan, and, to some degree, Venezuelan.

All these jobs you mentioned required SKILLS in construction, wine making, tayloring, carpenters. Mostly Italians because of marble art and construction where they had being building and sculping for the last
2000 years. This was not the case of africans who WERE dragged away by african dealers and sold IN BRAZIL AND USA WHERE THEY could pick cotton.
This did not require special skills. As for the poorly paid immigrants they must have being better than in their home country because they came by the millions had free good education and hospitals.

 

[nanu]

but anyway, feeling sorry for myself and blaming goverments, systems and different ideologies is always a fantastic excuse for not leaving my comfort zone and bwcoming responsible for my own reality. A littke bit of Cristina's brain washing?