Argentina re-opening international flights in August!

[jblaze5779]

The province here in Neuquen is completely against the use of the PCR test or any other test to avoid the 14 day quarantine. They do not believe they are an accurate indication about the presence of COVID. Despite the a 14 day quarantine not being an absolute either. I am working every day in the management of contractors from all around AR. I think the possibility of a short quarantine and a PCR test being accepted here in AR is next to zero.

 

[dsp27]

The province here in Neuquen is completely against the use of the PCR test or any other test to avoid the 14 day quarantine. They do not believe they are an accurate indication about the presence of COVID. Despite the a 14 day quarantine not being an absolute either. I am working every day in the management of contractors from all around AR. I think the possibility of a short quarantine and a PCR test being accepted here in AR is next to zero.

Things change. Argentina cannot eradicate the virus -- even developed nations like NZ and AU (islands) are having a hard time. ARG can only suppress and control it. I HOPE the ARG national government will realize this by September. A recent negative PCR (and perhaps a second one 7 days after) is more than adequate. Then if some provinces want to keep their borders closed to travelers so be it, I have never been to Neuquen nor plant to go.

 

[jblaze5779]

Things change. Argentina cannot eradicate the virus -- even developed nations like NZ and AU (islands) are having a hard time. ARG can only suppress and control it. I HOPE the ARG national government will realize this by September. A recent negative PCR (and perhaps a second one 7 days after) is more than adequate. Then if some provinces want to keep their borders closed to travelers so be it, I have never been to Neuquen nor plant to go.

Hey you're preaching to the choir.... I wish they would accept this as an indication. It would make my life easier. I think the issue is that the quarantine measure requires more people to fill the jobs as you always have a set of folks in the quarantine. I believe this is pushed by the unions to try and employ more people despite the ability to use technology as a screening measure

 

[Somewhereinba]

I am leaving today for Madrid. Hope to be back in mid September, if things look good. I am hoping that they will come to their senses and let people in (at least from the EU) without a 14 quarantine as long as they have a negative Codiv-19 PCR certificate issued in past 48/72hs. This practice seems to be catching up in other countries.

What was the situation like at the airport - any forms to sign saying you can't come back etc?

 

[skyway]

Obviously, all of this means that tourism in Argentina is going to take a desperate shellacking in the short to medium term. I can't imagine many European or US visitors making such a long haul trip for some time yet. It could be at least a couple of years before numbers get back to pre-Covid levels. For example, I know Mendoza pretty well. A lot of the fancy bodegas/restaurants there largely depend on business from Europeans and Americans. Some of those types of establishments must be close to going out of business at this stage (if they haven't done so already).

 

[Somewhereinba]

Tourism is dead in Argentina for a long long time. The economy is only going to get worse - already seeing lack of supplies because of factories closing and transport restricted. Prices on things are skyrocketing because stores don't have any stock.

 

[EL_TIGRE_de_Tigre]

Tourism is dead in Argentina for a long long time. The economy is only going to get worse - already seeing lack of supplies because of factories closing and transport restricted. Prices on things are skyrocketing because stores don't have any stock.

Argentina is in a lot of trouble in the near to mid term (1 to 5 years) ... and quite possibly the longer term (5 to 25 years - A FULL GENERATION or more!) if the current administration mis steps (And I am betting that they will - I don't have so much confidence in them from what I have seen so far.)

odds?

1 to 5 years ... 99.9% (Not 100% because it's never wise to be that sure of anything.) certain life, existence and opportunity will equal or possibly exceed what it was like in the 2001 time frame. This economy is about to get FLATTENED by an ASTEROID with a DIRECT HIT! And tis is why I am expecting an exodus en masse by all those who are able when travel resumes.

5 to 25 years 90% (THAT IS VERY STRONG!) Before the pandemic, Argentina had a plate full of problems. Post pandemic, thrown in a wrecked economy from closure ... with lack of tourism ... and no willing international investment of any size. (There are much better places elsewhere post pandemic ... much more attractive.) I have not yet said the following, but others have and I am in full agreement now ... Here goes:

Argentina is about to mirror Venezuela. And everyone knows how that is turning out. The only real difference it that Argentina has elected official by democratic process and not despots. Either way, their abilities and thinking are similar enough to get the same mess. And once you have a mess, it is hard to recover. The people of Argentina have lived through 2001 ... I have to imaging that those who are thrown back into the soup again are going to loos a bit of zing this time around. It is and will be a real morale breaker. Productivity is going to plummet in this country.

How can you argue with this forecast? (And I tried my best to be OBJECTIVE!)

 

[Somewhereinba]

Argentina is in a lot of trouble in the near to mid term (1 to 5 years) ... and quite possibly the longer term (5 to 25 years - A FULL GENERATION or more!) if the current administration mis steps (And I am betting that they will - I don't have so much confidence in them from what I have seen so far.)

odds?

1 to 5 years ... 99.9% (Not 100% because it's never wise to be that sure of anything.) certain life, existence and opportunity will equal or possibly exceed what it was like in the 2001 time frame. This economy is about to get FLATTENED by an ASTEROID with a DIRECT HIT! And tis is why I am expecting an exodus en masse by all those who are able when travel resumes.

5 to 25 years 90% (THAT IS VERY STRONG!) Before the pandemic, Argentina had a plate full of problems. Post pandemic, thrown in a wrecked economy from closure ... with lack of tourism ... and no willing international investment of any size. (There are much better places elsewhere post pandemic ... much more attractive.) I have not yet said the following, but others have and I am in full agreement now ... Here goes:

Argentina is about to mirror Venezuela. And everyone knows how that is turning out. The only real difference it that Argentina has elected official by democratic process and not despots. Either way, their abilities and thinking are similar enough to get the same mess. And once you have a mess, it is hard to recover. The people of Argentina have lived through 2001 ... I have to imaging that those who are thrown back into the soup again are going to loos a bit of zing this time around. It is and will be a real morale breaker. Productivity is going to plummet in this country.

How can you argue with this forecast? (And I tried my best to be OBJECTIVE!)

I feel sorry for saying it but the majority deserve the people they vote in - the people have constantly voted for K/Peronist governments who enforce non-productive socialist policies with free shit for everyone. Constant corruption and theft of public funds, terrible business laws that do their best to scare any business owner away. You sleep in the bed you make - it's harsh but true Most of the smart ones who realise this leave the country to Spain etc - the ones who don't have that option get their peso salary destroyed with constant devaluations and rampant inflation. The Rich get Richer and the poor stay the same - the middle class are the ones who take the hit.

 

[Renzi]

How can you argue with this forecast? (And I tried my best to be OBJECTIVE!)

Argentina is the next Venezuela? What are you smoking (and do you mind sharing)? The two situations have almost nothing in common, either politically or economically, And if this was such a business hostile country then Pfizer wouldn't have chosen to partner with Argentina for its vaccine trials.

 

[Somewhereinba]

Argentina is the next Venezuela? What are you smoking (and do you mind sharing)? The two situations have almost nothing in common, either politically or economically, And if this was such a business hostile country then Pfizer wouldn't have chosen to partner with Argentina for its vaccine trials.

lol sorry but Pfizer choosing Argentina has NOTHING to do with the country being business friendly - it's called MONEY. The peso is so weak it will cost Pfizer fuck all to trial it on Argentinians - I'm sure there is also a lot of corruption thrown in there and someone is making lots of money. Same reason the Chinese vaccine chose Brazil for testing