Bolsonaro potential new president of Brazil serious implications

[sergio]

I can't disagree with any of that but isn't it interesting that we live in an age where we can call Catholic theology liberal?

The Catholic Church, particularly since Vatican II in the 1960's, has stressed social justice. The current pope is probably the most liberal in history. He recently changed the catechism to prohibit the death penalty. Even his predecessor Pope Benedict, though more conservative in many respects, was highly critical of capitalism.

 

[perry]

https://www.clarin.com/mundo/jair-b...uela-expulsar-nicolas-maduro_0_YzPRlqOGC.html

Where Is Camberiu?

 

[camberiu]

https://www.clarin.com/mundo/jair-b...uela-expulsar-nicolas-maduro_0_YzPRlqOGC.html

Where Is Camberiu?

I am right here here. From the article you posted:

A lo que luego agregó, "¿Qué puede hacer Brasil?. Vamos a suponer que haya una invasión militar a Venezuela, allí la decisión va a ser mía pero primero voy a escuchar al Consejo de Defensa Nacional y al Parlamento...La tesis de una acción armada es respaldada por Bolsonaro pero no por los militares que integran su gobierno, entre ellos el general y vicepresidente Hamilton Mourao."

He is playing to his base. Nor the military or Congress (or the general public) wants anything to do with Venezuela and they are all very vocal about it.

Brazil will not invade Venezuela. Even if it wanted, it has no means to do so. The Brazilian military is a defensive force, not an expeditionary one. It has no means, resources, training or doctrine to conduct large scale invasions. Caracas might as well be in China, as far as the Brazilian military capabilities to project power beyond its borders are concerned.

 

[perry]

I am right here here. From the article you posted:

A lo que luego agregó, "¿Qué puede hacer Brasil?. Vamos a suponer que haya una invasión militar a Venezuela, allí la decisión va a ser mía pero primero voy a escuchar al Consejo de Defensa Nacional y al Parlamento...La tesis de una acción armada es respaldada por Bolsonaro pero no por los militares que integran su gobierno, entre ellos el general y vicepresidente Hamilton Mourao."

He is playing to his base. Nor the military or Congress (or the general public) wants anything to do with Venezuela and they are all very vocal about it.

Brazil will not invade Venezuela. Even if it wanted, it has no means to do so. The Brazilian military is a defensive force, not an expeditionary one. It has no means, resources, training or doctrine to conduct large scale invasions. Caracas might as well be in China, as far as the Brazilian military capabilities to project power beyond its borders are concerned.

In human history there have been many wars caused by leaders of countries without the will of the people . In the Gulf war against Iraq most english people were deeply opposed to military action but their leader Tony Blair roughshod public opinion and invaded Iraq with the coalition and all of this based on a lie as Iraq did not have any weapons of mass destruction .

In respects to Brazil military and its capabilities of course it will not conduct a large scale invasion but it will assist the USA ( a super military power) in its goals to control Venezuela and its resources .

 

[camberiu]

In human history there have been many wars caused by leaders of countries without the will of the people .

And how many cases can you list of leaders starting wars against the will of their military leaders, congress and people?
In terms of assistance, there is little that Brazil could provide in terms of assistance, even if it was willing to help. Caracas is closer to Puerto Rico (US) than it is from the Brazilian border. It is important to point out that the border between the two countries is a remote, empty and underdeveloped place. There is nothing there, no infrastructure, just a few narrow and bad roads, few people...it is mostly wilderness and it is really far from any major urban center on either country. Miami is closer to Caracas than any major Brazilian city is. People tend to forget how big Brazil is and how far Venezuela is from any major Brazilian population center, despite the shared border.
There is very little assistance that the US would need or that Brazil could provide if Trump decides to go after Maduro.

 

[perry]

And how many cases can you list of leaders starting wars against the will of their military leaders, congress and people?
In terms of assistance, there is little that Brazil could provide in terms of assistance, even if it was willing to help. Caracas is closer to Puerto Rico (US) than it is from the Brazilian border. It is important to point out that the border between the two countries is a remote, empty and underdeveloped place. There is nothing there, no infrastructure, just a few narrow and bad roads, few people...it is mostly wilderness and it is really far from any major urban center on either country. Miami is closer to Caracas than any major Brazilian city is. People tend to forget how big Brazil is and how far Venezuela is from any major Brazilian population center, despite the shared border.
There is very little assistance that the US would need or that Brazil could provide if Trump decides to go after Maduro.

How many wars of late have been started by land invasions ? Giving military assistance to the USA to conduct bombing raids on the seat of power in Caracas and its facilities will be the role that Brazil will take.

 

[ben]

How many wars of late have been started by land invasions ? Giving military assistance to the USA to conduct bombing raids on the seat of power in Caracas and its facilities will be the role that Brazil will take.

And precisely what form would that military assistance take? Refueling stops? Ports for their warships?
Have you looked at a map? Or read anything @camberiu just wrote?
(Just checked btw, and there are parts of the border closer to Caracas than PR. Point is still taken).

If they actually needed a next-door neighbor for logistical help, that would be Colombia. Check that map again.
And Colombia would have none of the compunctions that Brazil may have about helping the US.

 

[jbeas176]

ben you are right. i believe the US airbases that used to be in equador are now in colombia after the dustup killing of the number 2 fark leader

 

[jbeas176]

farc. correction

 

[camberiu]

Best foreign analysis I have seen so far of the current situation in Brazil.