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[ARbound]

While I disagree on Tex's point that people should pay for their water/electricity (I think the state should run those, and at cost paid via taxes proportionate to income/use) I agree that these aren't really pulling people out of poverty, I believe they are just preventing people from getting worse. The goal shouldn't be preventing people from slipping through the cracks, it should be preventing people from getting near them, and this government has failed in doing so.

For example, I will get paid in November and in December. I will work no less than 45 hours each week during both months, I will consume the same, I will pay the same taxes/union dues/bills/etc. but in the beginning of December, I will earn $168.00 ARS less than I did in November, and in January I will earn $336.00 ARS less than I did in November, and it will go on and on while I'm still required to pay the same amount in bills, and even more every month for groceries/essentials/rent/etc. There is also no point in me keeping money in the bank, buying government bonds as there is a negative interest rate. If it weren't for cuotas, most Argies couldn't make it paycheck to paycheck, and I imagine I'm going to have a pain to get a credit card.

This is not a formula to bring people out of poverty, it is a political ploy to make it seem like less water, and at a slower pace, is filling the hull of a sinking ship called the ARA Argentina.

 

[Rich One]

Massa will win by at least 10 points .....!!

 

[Bajo_cero2]

You see, I was right there with you until you started talking about war crimes committed by the state which the macri group had nothing to do with. In the real world that is called "smearing" , I don't believe they were involved in those evil crimes at all.

Again, I ask you directly, do you believe that all companies who were active in Argentina in the late 70s and 80s should be removed from the Argentine market?

Read the newspapers.
Ledesma is a sugar company in the North. Blaquier, the owner is under criminal prosecution. He provided the list of the union activist to be disappeared.
http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201308/29873-la-camara-federal-confirmo-el-procesamiento-de-blaquier.html

 

[John.St]

Look who's got his hand up into his sock puppet

http://www.perfil.co..._1586016621.jpg

 

[John.St]

My maid, Viviana, used to be a cartonera back in 2001. She was a homeless, with 7 kids and with no other income than hers cause her husband has abandonned her. There were times when she didnt eat -to give them food. She was all day in the streets.

This government gave her a 2 bedrooms house, with a big kitchen, with a garden, with a heat, free gas, free water, free electricity. She does not pay a peso ...

I am glad she is having a much better life now, and she should be grateful for it - for as long as it lasts.

I presume you know the exp<b></b>ression to pee in your pants to keep warm. This is what is happening in Argentina.

As far as I can see, Néstor was on the right track, but when Cristina came into power, it changed to 'pay whatever it takes to stay in power' and such a politic demands either endless resources or a limited life span.

How will Viviana view the government, which has to clean up this mess? <- rethoric question

Not understanding the least of national economy, she will remember the wonderful days when the kirchneristas ruled, and condemn the people who are so stupid as to take on the work.

 

[John.St]

While I disagree on Tex's point that people should pay for their water/electricity (I think the state should run those, and at cost paid via taxes proportionate to income/use)

That would be a serious mistake.

When something is for free, there are no limits to the amount we spend.

 

[John.St]

... Not by chance a first world country like Spain has 27% of unemployment, ...

By making mistakes similar to Argentina, spend without any thought of the future. At some point in time the bubble bursts.

 

[Matiasba]

By making mistakes similar to Argentina, spend without any thought of the future. At some point in time the bubble bursts.

Its not that they can choose. Unemployment is a serious problem of the end of walfare state era. Every country has at least 5 or more percentage of unemployds. We are not anymore in the 60s or 70s when full employment level was common. Today every society has this issue, and in some cases like Greece, Spain, etc, it goes for over the 20%. We used to have 25% back in the 90s, and today that number is in 6-7% but measuring that really bad, biased questions of the EPH or even counting informal jobs, which they shouldnt. Surely in Spain those numbers are fake too. It must be a lot more than 27% (and 52% of the young people).

 

[germano]

Its not that they can choose. Unemployment is a serious problem of the end of walfare state era. Every country has at least 5 or more percentage of unemployds. We are not anymore in the 60s or 70s when full employment level was common. Today every society has this issue, and in some cases like Greece, Spain, etc, it goes for over the 20%. We used to have 25% back in the 90s, and today that number is in 6-7% but measuring that really bad, biased questions of the EPH or even counting informal jobs, which they shouldnt. Surely in Spain those numbers are fake too. It must be a lot more than 27% (and 52% of the young people).

There are several regions in Germany with around 20% unemployment.

 

[Rich One]