Citizenship - Was advised not to leave Argentina

[MarshallE]

This is my experience. It’s not me but been part of it indirectly from the beginning until the citizenship granted. One thing I have to mention, which is very important; this guy holds permanent residency, married to an Argentine and got kids born in Argentina. So he’s both a husband and father of citizens. Came to Argentina for a few weeks each year. Never lived there. Got kids there. Been out of the country for 11 months almost each year. Applied for citizenship himself and got granted in months. Everyone was saying it’s because he’s a father and spouse of Argentines and he is holding permenente. 6 months whatever was no issue at all. It may be different for people with different status.

For any other readers in the thread this methodology does not work anymore. The courts are coming out that if you do not continue to live in Argentina after starting your case, you will be rejected. Recent sentence below rejecting citizenship for an individual that had a baby, but then left because it was getting too expensive to live.

 

[Lanick]

For any other readers in the thread this methodology does not work anymore. The courts are coming out that if you do not continue to live in Argentina after starting your case, you will be rejected. Recent sentence below rejecting citizenship for an individual that had a baby, but then left because it was getting too expensive to live.



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This person who has been rejected has given birth in Argentina to obtain citizenship something that really annoys the government. But if you’re married to an Argentine with Argentine born kids, I don’t think you’ll be in the same shoes with this person. Also; not residing and being abroad are two different things imo.

 

[MarshallE]

This person who has been rejected has given birth in Argentina to obtain citizenship something that really annoys the government. But if you’re married to an Argentine with Argentine born kids, I don’t think you’ll be in the same shoes with this person. Also; not residing and being abroad are two different things imo.

From the courts perspective there is no difference in whether you're married to an Argentine citizen or if you have Argentine citizen children, they both give you the same privilege to start a court case immediately without waiting 2 years first.

The semantics of how to frame your absence from the country don't really matter, if you do not "live" in Argentina they'll just straight up deny your citizenship request, that's how it works nowadays. The permissible amount of temporary absence (vacations etc) is up to their discretion, but the more you're outside the country the higher your risk will be of a denial

 

[Jimbob]

Can I ask what would be the advantages or more so the possible(financial) disadvantages of this over permanent residency? Tax implications for properties owned in another country etc.

 

[steveinbsas]

Can I ask what would be the advantages or more so the possible(financial) disadvantages of this over permanent residency? Tax implications for properties owned in another country etc.

At the moment I can only think of three "advantages" of citizenship over permanent residency in Argentina

1. You may be allowed to stay at your domicilio while awaiting trial after being charged with a serious crime (though probably not a homicide or a serious crime involving physical violence or the use of a lethal weapon).

2. The possibility of getting an Argentine passport.

3. The right to vote in presixential elections (which will also be a legal obligation)..

There are no tax advantages that I know of for either one over the other (at least none that apply to me).

PS: There is also a possibly of feeling pride in obtaining Argentine citizenship, but the intensity of that emotion will undoubtedly vary greatly on an individual basis.

 

[Lanick]

From the courts perspective there is no difference in whether you're married to an Argentine citizen or if you have Argentine citizen children, they both give you the same privilege to start a court case immediately without waiting 2 years first.

The semantics of how to frame your absence from the country don't really matter, if you do not "live" in Argentina they'll just straight up deny your citizenship request, that's how it works nowadays. The permissible amount of temporary absence (vacations etc) is up to their discretion, but the more you're outside the country the higher your risk will be of a denial

“Up to their discretion” is the word. Believe me, there’s no law set in stone. They just want to see a connection to the country.

 

[camel]

At the moment I can only think of three "advantages" of citizenship over permanent residency in Argentina

Another advantage is that citizenship is forever (assuming it wasn't obtained by fraud). You can leave Argentina for 10 years and always come back, anytime (although you may need to update your passport). With permanent residency, if you leave for a long period of time, you could lose residency. I don't know if there's an exact criteria, but it could be as short as 2 years.

 

[Ceviche]

Though its not written as a published, but its "unpublished" law, that you are expected to have at least a house/property in the country which is also reflected on yr dni and its really yr address and not of your lawyer or yr Gardner. It does not have to be a mansion or luxury condo.

As a citizen, if you dissapear for a long time ; have no property in the country ; and show up in an embassy of argentina ( say in Dubai) abroad after several years - they ask you where you live and you show them details of your Dubai Mansion...you are inviting for an investigation in yr citizenship and resulting in what I had mentioned in an earlier post. you use yr Arg passport at an airport and informed "Sorry sir, this passport is not valid".

All this is ONLY for naturalized citizens. We are not discussing the locals here

 

[MarshallE]

Though its not written as a published, but its "unpublished" law, that you are expected to have at least a house/property in the country which is also reflected on yr dni and its really yr address and not of your lawyer or yr Gardner. It does not have to be a mansion or luxury condo.

As a citizen, if you dissapear for a long time ; have no property in the country ; and show up in an embassy of argentina ( say in Dubai) abroad after several years - they ask you where you live and you show them details of your Dubai Mansion...you are inviting for an investigation in yr citizenship and resulting in what I had mentioned in an earlier post. you use yr Arg passport at an airport and informed "Sorry sir, this passport is not valid".

All this is ONLY for naturalized citizens. We are not discussing the locals here

Totally wrong info.

You do not need to own property to become a citizen. The address you indicate at the start of your citizenship case is verified by a certificado de domicilio at the local police station. It could be an Airbnb or just some place you're crashing at at the time. No courts in CABA will verify your actual address beyond the above anymore. You can continue moving around various apartments and Airbnbs and continue your citizenship case unimpeded.

For citizenship (unlike Permanent Residence) there is not a requirement to visit the country periodically to maintain your citizenship. You can register an address on your DNI that's overseas even.

 

[Lanick]

Though its not written as a published, but its "unpublished" law, that you are expected to have at least a house/property in the country which is also reflected on yr dni and its really yr address and not of your lawyer or yr Gardner. It does not have to be a mansion or luxury condo.

As a citizen, if you dissapear for a long time ; have no property in the country ; and show up in an embassy of argentina ( say in Dubai) abroad after several years - they ask you where you live and you show them details of your Dubai Mansion...you are inviting for an investigation in yr citizenship and resulting in what I had mentioned in an earlier post. you use yr Arg passport at an airport and informed "Sorry sir, this passport is not valid".

All this is ONLY for naturalized citizens. We are not discussing the locals here

So long you did not get your passport fraudulently you can not lose your citizenship because you didn’t come back for years. You don’t need to set foot in Argentina for the rest of your life. Once you’re a citizen you are a citizen not a naturalised citizen.