Coffee and cake prices

[Stevied]

I'm sorry but coffee prices are much cheaper in Europe and of superior Quality . A café in Spain France can easily be had for one euro which is not the case in Buenos Aires

You clearly didn’t read (or more likely didn’t understand) my response. However, having just returned from a trip to Spain, I can assure you that a coffee will cost you more than 1 euro.

 

[elhombresinnombre]

You clearly didn’t read (or more likely didn’t understand) my response. However, having just returned from a trip to Spain, I can assure you that a coffee will cost you more than 1 euro.

I am sure @perry already knows that Italy is a special case and the price controls on a single shot of espresso imposed by their government in - wait for it! - 1999 when the country converted to the Euro, are still in play. They apply only to a single shot, served standing at the counter: if you want it any other way it will cost a lot, lot more.

Italy is a special case too in the way their cafes are owned and managed. Whilst most/many cafes elsewhere which are not independents are run on the franchise system (think Starbucks or Tim Horton, Bonafide or Havanna) in Italy the tied cafes are owned by the coffee producing companies. The nearest equivalent I can think of is the way most pubs in the UK are owned by the breweries. It changes the dynamics: for example, a cafe that is losing money may be kept open by the coffee manufacturer because of the advertising value of its location

 

[Lanick]

You clearly didn’t read (or more likely didn’t understand) my response. However, having just returned from a trip to Spain, I can assure you that a coffee will cost you more than 1 euro.

Yes but never more than 1.50! Many places 1.20. Meaning AR$ 1700. Quite a difference compared to minimum 2500 or 4100 in Havana for example.

 

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Car parking is the biggest racket going.
Routinely have to pay $20000+ pesos to park the "camioneta" infront of the Hospital Aleman.
They must be absolutely raking it in.

 

[perry]

I am sure @perry already knows that Italy is a special case and the price controls on a single shot of espresso imposed by their government in - wait for it! - 1999 when the country converted to the Euro, are still in play. They apply only to a single shot, served standing at the counter: if you want it any other way it will cost a lot, lot more.

Italy is a special case too in the way their cafes are owned and managed. Whilst most/many cafes elsewhere which are not independents are run on the franchise system (think Starbucks or Tim Horton, Bonafide or Havanna) in Italy the tied cafes are owned by the coffee producing companies. The nearest equivalent I can think of is the way most pubs in the UK are owned by the breweries. It changes the dynamics: for example, a cafe that is losing money may be kept open by the coffee manufacturer because of the advertising value of its location

I am talking about a simple expreso in a stand up bar in Spain and Iraly . There are thousands of places that one can have this experience with very high Quality coffee . In Buenos Aires Even the carrito lady on the streets with the worst coffee in the world charges this or more . Sit down coffees in Spain and Iraly are 2 euros on average more if speciality . In Buenos Aires flat whites cappuccinos are 5000 pesos vastlly more dearer than europe .

 

[perry]

Yes but never more than 1.50! Many places 1.20. Meaning AR$ 1700. Quite a difference compared to minimum 2500 or 4100 in Havana for

 

[carride]

Dahi is a great Greek yoghurt ...!! The investment and time requirements. for home production, is not for everyone. available in most supers . Price estimate $1500 pesos for 200 grs.

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The primary reason I like Dahi yogurt is because it is the closest to thicker yogurts found in the rest of the world PLUS they are not afraid to sell a variety without any added sugar while still using whole high fat milk. This makes it ideal to add your own fresh fruit or bit of preserves as you like at home. They are popular enough brand now to find in most markets. Their popularity has finally put the pressure on the bigger brands to sell the same style in even bigger portions. The Yogormisimo 300ml is good and has been possible to find the past few years, even if mostly marketed for cooking at home recipes.

Still, Dahi and the most others are not true Greek/Turkish style of yogurt which are much thicker. Naturally thick from a second step of filtering out liquid whey after the first fermentation stage. If making at home you can also take the time to filter to make it closer to true Greek yogurt.
That will be the next evolution of yogurt here in argentina when consumers decide to pay extra for the production time it cost to thicken naturally.

 

[Stevied]

The problem is that Argentina had many years of artificial and unsustainable prices under the Kirchners (and others). Perry mentions a cortado and 3 medialunas in 2002 for $1 US. In 2002, that same coffee and 2 croissants (unfortunately no medialunas here) would have cost you $4-5 in the US - 4-5 times as much. Think about that - was there any reason your coffee and medialunas should have been 4-5 times less in Argentina at that time?? The low prices you saw were essentially unsustainable, and borrowing from future generations (something I mentioned on this forum several times). Now you are paying the piper, so to speak - although as I also mentioned this is probably an overcorrection that also isn’t sustainable long term. But, as terrible as it is, you’re now paying for years of poor economic policy and governments that handed out way too many benefits with no offsetting income. All that said, it’s still very unpleasant and our family lives with it every day.

 

[perry]

Car parking is the biggest racket going.
Routinely have to pay $20000+ pesos to park the "camioneta" infront of the Hospital Aleman.
They must be absolutely raking it in.

I am sure @perry already knows that Italy is a special case and the price controls on a single shot of espresso imposed by their government in - wait for it! - 1999 when the country converted to the Euro, are still in play. They apply only to a single shot, served standing at the counter: if you want it any other way it will cost a lot, lot more.

Italy is a special case too in the way their cafes are owned and managed. Whilst most/many cafes elsewhere which are not independents are run on the franchise system (think Starbucks or Tim Horton, Bonafide or Havanna) in Italy the tied cafes are owned by the coffee producing companies. The nearest equivalent I can think of is the way most pubs in the UK are owned by the breweries. It changes the dynamics: for example, a cafe that is losing money may be kept open by the coffee manufacturer because of the advertising value of its location

The problem is that Argentina had many years of artificial and unsustainable prices under the Kirchners (and others). Perry mentions a cortado and 3 medialunas in 2002 for $1 US. In 2002, that same coffee and 2 croissants (unfortunately no medialunas here) would have cost you $4-5 in the US - 4-5 times as much. Think about that - was there any reason your coffee and medialunas should have been 4-5 times less in Argentina at that time?? The low prices you saw were essentially unsustainable, and borrowing from future generations (something I mentioned on this forum several times). Now you are paying the piper, so to speak - although as I also mentioned this is probably an overcorrection that also isn’t sustainable long term. But, as terrible as it is, you’re now paying for years of poor economic policy and governments that handed out way too many benefits with no offsetting income. All that said, it’s still very unpleasant and our family lives with it every day.

Prices are reflective on wages and the government does not set the Price of coffee as it's a internacional Price . Why then is coffee there times dearer in buenos aires now than our neighbours . The reason that everything is so dear now is a determined policy to cut spending creating terrible conditions for business owners who to survive pass these costs to the consumet . Electricity prices have gone up up to 6 times in US dollars and every product is affected by this . Electricity is not a luxury it's a essential need and should never be so expensive that a family or restaurant suffers because of it . Same for many essential services that now people are paying extremely high prices but their earnings are 10 times less than many wéstern countries . In australia the minimal wage is the highest of the planet but just about everything there is now cheaper than here including coffee.

 

[Redpossum]

The problem is that Argentina had many years of artificial and unsustainable prices under the Kirchners (and others). Perry mentions a cortado and 3 medialunas in 2002 for $1 US. In 2002, that same coffee and 2 croissants (unfortunately no medialunas here) would have cost you $4-5 in the US - 4-5 times as much. Think about that - was there any reason your coffee and medialunas should have been 4-5 times less in Argentina at that time?? The low prices you saw were essentially unsustainable, and borrowing from future generations (something I mentioned on this forum several times). Now you are paying the piper, so to speak - although as I also mentioned this is probably an overcorrection that also isn’t sustainable long term. But, as terrible as it is, you’re now paying for years of poor economic policy and governments that handed out way too many benefits with no offsetting income. All that said, it’s still very unpleasant and our family lives with it every day.

"Ah, pero Cristina!"

And as for your "was there any reason your coffee and medialunas should have been 4-5 times less in Argentina at that time?", I would reply with a resounding YES!

Have you ever heard of a concept called "purchasing power parity" ?? Things should cost far less in a developing country, compared to the USA or any other 1st world country. The idea that prices everywhere should equal those in the USA is laughably ridiculous.