Death In The Streets: Venezuela Has Descended Into Chaos

[steveinbsas]

You took something I quoted out of context and have tried to make it appear that it was something I said:

steveinbsas, on 06 April 2014 - 12:51 PM, said:

Remember the representative that is going to trial? Is called maria Corina Machado, and Panama is gonna give its chair for she to speak at the OAS (Organization of American States), not that we expect much, but is a place where, as usual only the governments have word and what the government says is the truth.

Why don't you address the facts instead of continuing to make irrelevant comments?

Being objectivists, Ayn's fanboys refuse to acknowledge that "she" is a subjective pronoun.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Come on guys, we need to bring some cold hard facts back to Steve's thread. Can we at least get an Alex Jones/Info Wars quote/article about this?
He's written a bunch if you just google his name and VZ.

Btw, the Obamacare open enrollment has ended now. Can someone show me the death panels? Anything with Michele Bachmann is greatly appreciated.

The Socialists have infiltrated everywhere! http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2014/04/obamacare

 

[ajoknoblauch]

You took something I quoted out of context and have tried to make it appear that it was something I said:



Why don't you address the facts instead of continuing to make irrelevant comments?

I am merely indulging in objectivism.

 

[steveinbsas]

Steve, come on. I mean, seriously, bro. This is just horse dookey.

Lacoqueta, I'm sorry, but there just isn't any way to answer these charges without using the Z-word. I'll apologise in advance, and you feel free to come back at me as hard as you need to. Seriously, no irony, no sarcasm.

OK, let's cut to the chase. Israel desperately wants a war between the USA and Iran, and they are using their bought-and-paid for stooges in the USA to beat the war drums long and loud. These accusations are ridiculous, there is zero factual basis for making them. It's the same as when Israel claims to intercept a shipment of arms from Iran to Hamas. It's a setup, it's always been a setup. From the bombing of the King David Hotel, to the Lavon Affair to the sinking of the USS Liberty. The motto of Mossad is "by means of deception shalt thou make war", and they have a long sad string of false flag attacks to their credit.

You are quoting blatant Israel Lobby mouthpieces spewing pure propaganda. The Telegraph, the Guardian, and the ultimate icon of American Islamophobia, Alan West. And there is zero factual basis for the accusations. None, nada, bupkis.

"Islamic terrorists" Alan West solemnly intones. There is no evidence that Iran has ever supported terrorism. But there is ample evidence that Iran has been the victim of terrorism sponsored by Mossad, CIA, and MI6. The murder of the Iranian nuclear physicists, which the US State Department tacitly admitted was the work of Mossad, hello? Why don't you call that terrorism? The assassination of numerous Hamas officials, often in neutral countries, over the last 10 years, why don't you call that terrorism? The US support of Jundallah in Balochistan, which amounts to millions of dollars a year, in exchange for bombings and shootings of Iranian officials, why don't you call that terrorism?

Part of the standard modus operandi of Mossad is that they always accuse their enemies of the crimes of which they themselves are guilty. Iran is not a terrorist state. The USA, UK, and Israel are terrorist states.

Matthew 7:20, "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them" (OKJ).

Furthermore, why would Argentina be buying arms from Iran? To what end? None of this makes any sense at all, except as a potential casus belli.

Actually, I believe Argentina has been interested in buying arms (in the form of jet fighters) from Israel.

http://en.mercopress...-defense-expert

 

[Alicia karr]

I'm sorry that a thread about the tragedy that is and has been Venezuela has now become another victim (hijacked) by someone with their own Anti Israel, anti Jewish axe to grind. I really wanted and want to forgive you your malice, because such has nothing positive in it and only generates more hostility. But the saddest thing is how you continuously single out a group of people, defined by their religion, upon whom you are thrusting the blame for practically all that is horrible in the world. If you don't see this as Anti Semitism or bigotry or anti Jewish propaganda I am truly sorry for you...you have so many talents and write so well. What a waste, and I am actually saddened, that you use such talents to provoke religious based hostility....isn't there quite enough of this in the world already? What would you do if you didn't have Jews to blame? Blaming doesn't resolve or solve anything. But it does keep one from taking responsibility themselves..

 

[Redpossum]

I'm sorry that a thread about the tragedy that is and has been Venezuela has now become another victim (hijacked) by someone with their own Anti Israel, anti Jewish axe to grind. I really wanted and want to forgive you your malice, because such has nothing positive in it and only generates more hostility. But the saddest thing is how you continuously single out a group of people, defined by their religion, upon whom you are thrusting the blame for practically all that is horrible in the world. If you don't see this as Anti Semitism or bigotry or anti Jewish propaganda I am truly sorry for you...you have so many talents and write so well. What a waste, and I am actually saddened, that you use such talents to provoke religious based hostility....isn't there quite enough of this in the world already? What would you do if you didn't have Jews to blame? Blaming doesn't resolve or solve anything. But it does keep one from taking responsibility themselves..

Given the antagonism between Israel and Iran, once Iran was brought into the picture, it became inevitable that Israel would be mentioned as well. When there are two sides to a story, as is always the case, you cannot in justice allow one side to plead their case, while requiring the other to remain silent.

I'm really, really genuinely sorry you're in this situation. But it's the behavior of Israel which is the root of the problem, not the words of those of us who point out the misdeeds of Israel.

And in future we really need to keep this stuff in the World Politics forum.

 

[sergio]

The Venezuela crisis is not a socialist problem but one of corruption, incompetence and anti-Democratic tactics. Venezuela could follow a rational European socialist model without ruining its economy and alienating itself from democratic, developed countries. Maduro strikes me as just plain stupid, a man who hasn't a clue how to run the country. Social resentment must run very deep (that seemed to be a large part of Chavez's psyche as I believe it is with Cristina's) to allow Venezuela's leaders to reach such a critical state. The New Yorker (a pretty liberal publication, I'd say) had a long and informative piece about Venezuela a few months ago. It painted a grim picture of the situation which is even worse now.

 

[ARbound]

The Venezuela crisis is not a socialist problem but one of corruption, incompetence and anti-Democratic tactics. Venezuela could follow a rational European socialist model without ruining its economy and alienating itself from democratic, developed countries. Maduro strikes me as just plain stupid, a man who hasn't a clue how to run the country. Social resentment must run very deep (that seemed to be a large part of Chavez's psyche as I believe it is with Cristina's) to allow Venezuela's leaders to reach such a critical state. The New Yorker (a pretty liberal publication, I'd say) had a long and informative piece about Venezuela a few months ago. It painted a grim picture of the situation which is even worse now.

This, in every single way. I feel bad for saying this because normal citizens can and should wish to be politicians but the man was a bus driver, his extensive governing experience comes from being Chavez's protege. Imagine what would happen if Obama pushed Biden on people, and then lived vicariously through him. I think even Dems would be pissed.

In my personal socialist philosophy a strong economy is important as an unstable one serves to only harm the poor and middle classes. I can assure you that Marx would not approve of Maduro and Xtina's handling of the economies as they have transformed in to a front of government self largess and nepotism.

Like so many before us have said, Venezuela is becoming Zimbabwe, Argentina is becoming Venezuela, and everyone without foreign currency is going to left holding the bag.

 

[sergio]

This, in every single way. I feel bad for saying this because normal citizens can and should wish to be politicians but the man was a bus driver, his extensive governing experience comes from being Chavez's protege. Imagine what would happen if Obama pushed Biden on people, and then lived vicariously through him. I think even Dems would be pissed.

In my personal socialist philosophy a strong economy is important as an unstable one serves to only harm the poor and middle classes. I can assure you that Marx would not approve of Maduro and Xtina's handling of the economies as they have transformed in to a front of government self largess and nepotism.

Like so many before us have said, Venezuela is becoming Zimbabwe, Argentina is becoming Venezuela, and everyone without foreign currency is going to left holding the bag.

Actually Cristina is the daughter of a bus driver -- not that anything is wrong with that in a meritocracy where talented people can advance themselves. In Cristina's case though it's questionable that she really earned a law degree. She doesn't exactly transmit any depth of knowledge or cultivation. The real issue is that she has taken a country with rich agricultural and human resources at a time when commodities have been at an all time high and totally squandered any opportunity to improve life for the ARGENTINE population. Allowing masses of uneducated people to pour in from Latin America so that she could get them quick citizenship and buy votes has not helped the situation. Amazing how the greed, mental instability and social resentment of one person can have such a devastating effect on millions of people.

 

[steveinbsas]

Venezuela 11 April

Posted by sender47

Well, what have been happening in the last days?

We are currently stalled.

Protest continues, repression continues, death continues.

Barricades continue, scarcity continues, each day things are harder to find, and if you find them the price is gigantic… An example: Our highest denomination bill the 100BsF bill is not enough to buy a tuna can. With the minimum wage you buy less than 3 Listerine bottles a month (Well if you find Listerine, it is a rare item).

Insecurity continues: Aside of the deaths because of the protest we continue around 25 daily assassinations just in Caracas.
Lines of four or more hours to buy food when it gets to a market, in government owned food sellers, line starts the night before.
Out of Caracas, things are worse.

But nothing more have happened, I don’t know what will crack first the government or us.

As I have explained before the government has the guns monopoly, so for now we can protest and resist.

Last night there was a “Conference for the peace”, of course it is again the government buying time, and trying to look good for other countries (As some chancellors of other south America countries where there). Some leaders from the opposition went some didn’t, I will not say that not going would be completely useless as it was televised, and is the only form opposition can get to TV (56% of the population has no access to internet), and protests will not stop because of some fruitless reunion (This has happened in the past many times, each time was for nothing, and the government never did what they promised). But the bad side is that it can somehow try to clean the face of the government outside. As an example, there have been movements in USA about freezing the accounts of Venezuelan government officials, but with this and following what Kerry said that USA will not intervene as long as there is dialogue…. Things are not bright in that.

Don’t misunderstand me, I’m not saying USA should come and solve things, but if they recognize that high government officials involved with this murders, repression and whom are also recognized as involved in drug traffic (many of them are the top officials of the army here), and they know they have large quantities of money and businesses in USA, how can they just say ”Oh, is ok, if there seems to be some dialog, we don’t care if it is just an act, we should let all this people, most of them involved in drug traffic to the USA and Europe, continue their business as usual”, I will not be surprised if some Colombian FARC members have business in USA under the knowledge of the government -.- .

I haven’t had classes in my University as the government armed gangs entered an attacked many students, beat them and naked them (This is the second time it happens in 3 weeks).

I will left this link http://caracaschronicles.com/ this are articles in English in Venezuela.

Also, I have been trying to find a good recompilation of photos up to day. This account is in Spanish and is a shows promotion twitter account (so there are show promotions in there), but it post many photos of what is happening, and don’t put any opinion, just date and place of the images.

https://twitter.com/EventosUNIMET

Well, that is for now, I have no idea of what will happen even in the next hour.

Thanks for your concern, and for spreading the word

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