Death In The Streets: Venezuela Has Descended Into Chaos

[ajoknoblauch]

Actually Cristina is the daughter of a bus driver -- not that anything is wrong with that in a meritocracy where talented people can advance themselves. In Cristina's case though it's questionable that she really earned a law degree. She doesn't exactly transmit any depth of knowledge or cultivation. The real issue is that she has taken a country with rich agricultural and human resources at a time when commodities have been at an all time high and totally squandered any opportunity to improve life for the ARGENTINE population. Allowing masses of uneducated people to pour in from Latin America so that she could get them quick citizenship and buy votes has not helped the situation. Amazing how the greed, mental instability and social resentment of one person can have such a devastating effect on millions of people.

OK, let's borrow a page from the Republican playbook and scapegoat a handful of poor immigrants from neighboring countries.

 

[internationalguy]

Redpossum,

You might be right about special interests in the whole Israel situation. After all it's all just going to be YET ANOTHER ideological debate. I tend to outweigh both points of view and often end up somewhere in the middle, often getting burned on both sides because these things tend to create very radical us vs them responses.

Yesterday night I had a two hour long discussion with a friend from NY about this. People who passionately attack Israel more often than not attack the Jewish people viciously (apparently 5000 years of persecution haven't been enough), they deny the holocaust, they get to uncanny levels of hate. This is not good. Some people claim they're standing up for the Palestinian people (who also have rights and some fair claims). Some people wave anti Zionist flags. If it all stopped there I wouldn't be saying anything. But it doesn't and that is sickening.

You know I think you're a nice guy. Please don't let your strong feelings about this cause any hate for people whose only crime throughout history has been to be different. Please don't let it happen to friends of yours with similar ideology.

 

[nicoenarg]

Where I grew up, hating Israel always, without exception, came with hatred for the Jewish people. Its one thing to criticize Israel's policies just like you would with any other country (I'd be worried if anyone thought any country was perfect and had nothing to criticize) but stating that "Zionists control XYZ" is straight up bigotry.

 

[sergio]

The reports from Venezuela are very interesting and informative. I hope they will keep coming.

 

[Redpossum]

Redpossum,

You might be right about special interests in the whole Israel situation. After all it's all just going to be YET ANOTHER ideological debate. I tend to outweigh both points of view and often end up somewhere in the middle, often getting burned on both sides because these things tend to create very radical us vs them responses.

Yesterday night I had a two hour long discussion with a friend from NY about this. People who passionately attack Israel more often than not attack the Jewish people viciously (apparently 5000 years of persecution haven't been enough), they deny the holocaust, they get to uncanny levels of hate. This is not good. Some people claim they're standing up for the Palestinian people (who also have rights and some fair claims). Some people wave anti Zionist flags. If it all stopped there I wouldn't be saying anything. But it doesn't and that is sickening.

You know I think you're a nice guy. Please don't let your strong feelings about this cause any hate for people whose only crime throughout history has been to be different. Please don't let it happen to friends of yours with similar ideology.

Oh, **** me, this thread was dead and vanished, and then Steve had to resurrect it; now we're back with more "some people say" Fox News style insinuations. Claiming that A is often associated with B does not mean not mean I am guilty of B because I advocate A. I reject that logic completely.

I am not saying anything more on this subject in this thread. I'm done.

 

[internationalguy]

Oh, **** me, this thread was dead and vanished, and then Steve had to resurrect it; now we're back with more "some people say" Fox News style insinuations. Claiming that A is often associated with B does not mean not mean I am guilty of B because I advocate A. I reject that logic completely.

I am not saying anything more on this subject in this thread. I'm done.

I never said you were. Ever. I just pointed out that it's dangerous territory and that a lot of people are guilty of it. I specifically said you weren't. This has nothing too do with Fox News. I never said I sided with Israel. My concern was the Jewish people, nothing more. I also said that people get so passionate about this that they have extreme reactions and stop realizing how far their anger takes them. I don't think that's a lie.

For what it's worth I only commented on it because it was resurrected but I feel strongly enough about the Jewish people that I couldn't not post my opinion. Again. I know you're a good guy my friend.

 

[Hybrid Ambassador]

Steve, come on. I mean, seriously, bro. This is just horse dookey.

Lacoqueta, I'm sorry, but there just isn't any way to answer these charges without using the Z-word. I'll apologise in advance, and you feel free to come back at me as hard as you need to. Seriously, no irony, no sarcasm.

OK, let's cut to the chase. Israel desperately wants a war between the USA and Iran, and they are using their bought-and-paid for stooges in the USA to beat the war drums long and loud. These accusations are ridiculous, there is zero factual basis for making them. It's the same as when Israel claims to intercept a shipment of arms from Iran to Hamas. It's a setup, it's always been a setup. From the bombing of the King David Hotel, to the Lavon Affair to the sinking of the USS Liberty. The motto of Mossad is "by means of deception shalt thou make war", and they have a long sad string of false flag attacks to their credit.

You are quoting blatant Israel Lobby mouthpieces spewing pure propaganda. The Telegraph, the Guardian, and the ultimate icon of American Islamophobia, Alan West. And there is zero factual basis for the accusations. None, nada, bupkis.

"Islamic terrorists" Alan West solemnly intones. There is no evidence that Iran has ever supported terrorism. But there is ample evidence that Iran has been the victim of terrorism sponsored by Mossad, CIA, and MI6. The murder of the Iranian nuclear physicists, which the US State Department tacitly admitted was the work of Mossad, hello? Why don't you call that terrorism? The assassination of numerous Hamas officials, often in neutral countries, over the last 10 years, why don't you call that terrorism? The US support of Jundallah in Balochistan, which amounts to millions of dollars a year, in exchange for bombings and shootings of Iranian officials, why don't you call that terrorism?

Part of the standard modus operandi of Mossad is that they always accuse their enemies of the crimes of which they themselves are guilty. Iran is not a terrorist state. The USA, UK, and Israel are terrorist states.

Matthew 7:20, "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them" (OKJ).

Furthermore, why would Argentina be buying arms from Iran? To what end? None of this makes any sense at all, except as a potential casus belli.

Redpossum, if i were you, be very apprehensive for your writing in citing the Mossad in here. It could bring harm to your being there in Bs As. I will be very fearfull of the capable Mossad squad in the wide-world.

 

[steveinbsas]

Oh, **** me, this thread was dead and vanished, and then Steve had to resurrect it; now we're back with more "some people say" Fox News style insinuations. Claiming that A is often associated with B does not mean not mean I am guilty of B because I advocate A. I reject that logic completely.

I am not saying anything more on this subject in this thread. I'm done.

The thread will not be dead as long as the violence continues in Venezuela and I will continue to post the updates from the other website.

You can reject the logic (or lack of logic) of others, but you have made some posts which evoke strong emotions.

Of course I hope you never become a target for violence in the real world. Hybrid-san has your personal safety in mind, and I hope he is greatly exaggerating the danger.

 

[scotttswan]

Redpossum, if i were you, be very apprehensive for your writing in citing the Mossad in here. It could bring harm to your being there in Bs As. I will be very fearfull of the capable Mossad squad in the wide-world.

Did Mossad not kidnap a nazi from argentina and take him to Isreal to stand trial?

I wonder what watchlists Redpossum is on. :huh:

 

[bobg]

OK, let's borrow a page from the Republican playbook and scapegoat a handful of poor immigrants from neighboring countries.

Although I wouldn't say that the Republicans are immigrant friendly I also cannot recall any senior Republican politician blaming any US problems on the immigrant population. They spend 99% of their time blaming everything on Obama-care. They just don't have a lot of time to talk about immigrants. Can you cite any specific statements by any specific senior Republican politician to justify your charge that the Republican playbook calls for scapegoating immigrants?

Thanks, Bob