Food revolution bypasses Buenos Aires

syngirl said:
Portenos are like my friend -- if it is something they don't recognise, something that looks a bit odd, the large majority will just refuse to try it.

Goodness this is so true. My Argentine traveled with me to Texas for Christmas and while we all filled our plates with a little of each traditional dish, he only picked up the ham and mashed potatoes. It hurt my feelings in a minor way, but that was that. I suppose it was to be expected from the same person who once asked me what part of the broccoli could be eaten.
 
i'm italian,
among the thousand of "italian" restaurant in buenos aires i still haven't found even one which cook in a decent way.
The italian kitchen it's very simple and all the basic ingredients here are so tasty, los portenos got everything they need to do good things, but i guess the lack of curiosity toward the food, is in line with lack of curiosity for any thing. Obviously not all the people is the same, and you always got exception, but my interpretation of the not caring at all about food cutlure , is related to curiosity and desire to know.
 
Syngirl, I disagree. It is hard to get good raw ingredients here. This topic has come up here many times. The question of where to get good French and English cheese came up. I have asked cheese vendors and they tell me that there is no imported English cheese in Argentina though several basic types of French cheese are imported. Local cheese is generally poor quality with a few half way decent options but no variety. So just forget about cheese here if this is something you really love. Free range or organic chicken? It is extremely hard to find, as well as other varieties of fowl. Yes, there are exceptions but the effort you have to go to in order to obtain it, not to mention the cost, are too great for someone who has other things to do like work! Vegetables are terribly disappointing. You cant find the variety here. The supermarkets are the worst, I agree. It is all a matter of luck. One day you may find something fresh but, again, it’s a great effort. Since you bring up the US, when I am there I never rely on the supermarket. I frequent a farmers’ market as well as the supermarket. I buy a lot from the Amish. I don’t know if the readers of this website know about the Amish. They are a religious community founded in the 1600’s in North America. They have communities in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, some other parts of the US and Canada. They live as they did in the 1600’s and 1700’s. Most will not use any electricity. Their products are natural and wholesome.

Delfo, there ARE a few good Italian restaurants. Try Pieggari in La Recova. The portions (main courses) are huge and intended to be shared. Some of the dishes are actually quite spicy. The quality of pasta is good. Bread is bad. They will offer you “pan de pizza” which is better but beware, they will charge you for it without telling you so in advance. Waiters are a little abrupt and the place is expensive. Il Matarello in La Boca is a very genuine old fashioned Italian place with excellent pasta, especially lasagna. Informal service (a bit too informal) and also not cheap. Unfortunately the tourists have discovered the place. The neighborhood is dangerous at night, so go for lunch and make a reservation. It’s located in one of the old immigrant houses, painted bright colors. Interesting. Also try Mancini on Libertad between Posadas and Libertador. The pasta is good. More reasonably priced than the other two places.

One good local item is wine. Unfortunately prices of good wine have risen a lot (some of the high end Argentine wines are now cheaper in the US where international competition keeps prices relatively low). Argentine winemakers keep improving and I am now finding not only good reds but some impressive whites as well.
 
sergio said:
Syngirl, I disagree. It is hard to get good raw ingredients here. This topic has come up here many times. The question of where to get good French and English cheese came up. I have asked cheese vendors and they tell me that there is no imported English cheese in Argentina though several basic types of French cheese are imported. Local cheese is generally poor quality with a few half way decent options but no variety. So just forget about cheese here if this is something you really love. Free range or organic chicken? It is extremely hard to find, as well as other varieties of foul. Yes, there are exceptions but the effort you have to go to in order to obtain it, not to mention the cost, are too great for someone who has other things to do like work! Vegetables are terribly disappointing. You cant find the variety here. The supermarkets are the worst, I agree. It is all a matter of luck. One day you may find something fresh but, again, it’s a great effort. Since you bring up the US, when I am there I never rely on the supermarket. I frequent a farmers’ market as well as the supermarket. I buy a lot from the Amish. I don’t know if the readers of this website know about the Amish. They are a religious community founded in the 1600’s in North America. They have communities in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, some other parts of the US and Canada. They live as they did in the 1600’s and 1700’s. Most will not use any electricity. Their products are natural and wholesome.

Delfo, there ARE a few good Italian restaurants. Try Pieggari in La Recova. The portions (main courses) are huge and intended to be shared. Some of the dishes are actually quite spicy. The quality of pasta is good. Bread is bad. They will offer you “pan de pizza” which is better but beware, they will charge you for it without telling you so in advance. Waiters are a little abrupt and the place is expensive. Il Matarello in La Boca is a very genuine old fashioned Italian place with excellent pasta, especially lasagna. Informal service (a bit too informal) and also not cheap. Unfortunately the tourists have discovered the place. The neighborhood is dangerous at night, so go for lunch and make a reservation. It’s located in one of the old immigrant houses, painted bright colors. Interesting. Also try Mancini on Libertad between Posadas and Libertador. The pasta is good. More reasonably priced than the other two places.

One good local item is wine. Unfortunately prices of good wine have risen a lot (some of the high end Argentine wines are now cheaper in the US where international competition keeps prices relatively low). Argentine winemakers keep improving and I am now finding not only good reds but some impressive whites as well.


Egad!

Perhaps I should move to Europe...if they'll have me.

I admit: It's doubtful.
 
dsc said:
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BTW -- anybody know any of the grocery chain websites where you can surf the products online and see what's available yourself? I was able to do this for Uruguyan supermercados in the past. Haven't had any luck for any Argentinian ones..

Try: http://www.leshop.com.ar/ (click "1era visita") and http://www.discovirtual.com.ar (may need to register to see catalog). I am sure there are other sites as well.
 
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sergio said:
I buy a lot from the Amish. I don’t know if the readers of this website know about the Amish. They are a religious community founded in the 1600’s in North America. They have communities in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, some other parts of the US and Canada. They live as they did in the 1600’s and 1700’s.

I keep looking for Amish websites here in Argentina, but I can't seem to find any. If anyone has a phone number for these guys, I'd really appreciate it. Even a cell phone would do.

:D
 
Sergio, I disagree with your disagreement with Syngirl. There are plenty of good, raw ingredients everywhere. But they are not identical to the ingredients you could get in your home country.

Back in England I find it so hard to do authentic Argentine cookery because I can't get the ingredients. None of the supermarkets stock tapas for empanadas or pascualinas so I have to make them myself - but the flour is a different variety so the texture of facturas is different etc. And speaking of pascualinas - nobody in England seems to know how to grow decent acelga anymore - it's all harvested far too young and is put into namby-pamby pre-packed salads. The jamon is cured differently; dulce de leche is made by Nestlé; yerba costs ten times the price and the only way to buy dulce de membrillo is by mail order.

So does that make England a failure in food? Of course it doesn't. It makes it a country where the market for Argentine food is so small as to be insignificant - rather like specialist food for the English speaking residents of Argentina.

My advice is to throw away your Elizabeth David and get yourself a copy of El Libro de Doña Petrona. You'll be able to buy everything you need for those recipes within just a few blocks of where you live - wherever you live.
 
Napoleon said:
I keep looking for Amish websites here in Argentina . . . .
Quite seriously, there are Mennonite colonies in Paraguay. (The Amish may be considered strict Mennonites.) They have (or had) good, wholesome foods for sale to outsiders. Of course, by the time those foods get to grocers' shelves in C.F. . . . .
 
Napoleon said:
I keep looking for Amish websites here in Argentina, but I can't seem to find any. If anyone has a phone number for these guys, I'd really appreciate it. Even a cell phone would do.

:D
This is interesting indeed, how do you contact the Amish to buy products from them?
 
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