Francisco Pope Of The Poor??? Aparecida Brazil

[internationalguy]

Not so Jeff. People who actually are not in love with the sound of their own voices have been silent because you simply make no sense and your own bias and completely inaccurate posts speak for themselves. I'd say you just have no idea jeff when you speak about native americans and the Vatican????? are you for real (have you ever heard of the church of England)? Nothing to do with the Vatican). Fairy tales? I get it you guys are atheists, kudos for being so hip....

 

[Jaredberryman]

Rarely do I find myself defending the Catholic Church, but the criticism here is so unrealistic and exaggerated that I'm beginning to become suspicious. Plenty of people throughout the Catholic church's history have sold everything they had and given it to the poor. I can only think of the Christians in the fourth century who confronted the plague in Turkey. While the rich all packed up their stuff and moved on, the Christians risked their lives by courageously staying behind and tending to the sick. So many of them died. I could go on and give ten examples throughout history for every example of greed or hypocrisy that someone here can generate, even modern examples, of the Catholic church. The truth is, that I know some Catholics whose remarkable behavior puts me to shame.

That being said I think what people are saying here are legitimate in many ways. But it certainly does sound pretty judgmental. I'm sure there is lots of corruption and nonsense that goes on in the Vatican. Some of the criticism sounds fair, but some of it also sounds utterly absurd.

Maybe we should give Fransisco a little more time to see what he does before cutting his head off. His butt has barely warmed up the seat yet.

 

[ghost]

Tex...sounds like you think Fransisco is the Catholic Church. Ole Fransisco can have all the time he wants as a human. But the church is an entity on to itself. He is simply a figure head...................

 

[ajoknoblauch]

You don't need to believe in imaginary beings to be an ethical person. In fact, belief in such beings is often an obstacle to being ethical.

 

[Jaredberryman]

Wonder full moving event in Copacabana today.

The Pope has plenty of messages for the world Governments and the Corporations to take care of the young, the poor and the the unemployed ...!! Preach and Practice. Charity starts at Home....!!

Suggest the Church sells the expensive real estate in towns worlwide and build emergency structures in the villas for the priests to be near the poor, with the proceeds build and operate Comedores. Sell The Nunciatura Palace in Avenida Alvear ,$$ could feed many.

Sell the fleet of limos and have the clegy ride the buses.The Think Tank of the Vatican should develop ideas on how to generate employment, like the Banco of the Poor from Mohamed Yunus http://en.wikipedia..../Muhammad_Yunus

Cut the living standards of the Curia Vaticana and bishops worlwide that lives high on the hog,far from the poor, be poor like St. Francis of Assisi was.

I really don't know much about the Vatican, but as far as I can tell, the Catholic Church in Argentina does indeed do a lot of the things mentioned above. I know that a lot of priests live work, live, and serve in the villas, and I constantly see the churches here doing all kinds of things for the poor. Although I haven't stepped foot in a Catholic church, I always see many poor people inside or around all of the churches here, and I know that because of the Church that I have seen some firsthand examples of created employment for them. I really am not a Vatican insider so I couldn't say, but what you are saying sounds like no one in the Vatican cares about the poor or is confronting the issue. I highly doubt this is true. I'm also sure that the Vatican has its share of snakes.

As far as a think tank for helping the poor, South American Catholicism is the think tank for that. South America is where liberation theology was generated, by Jesuit theologians/priests. They have lots of good ideas in that respect. Of course since the rich ruling elite that controls South America likes it the way it is, it's highly doubtful that most of those ideas will ever be implemented. You make it sound like the Catholic Church can just wave its magic wand and make poverty disappear.

 

[camberiu]

 

[Jaredberryman]

Tex...sounds like you think Fransisco is the Catholic Church. Ole Fransisco can have all the time he wants as a human. But the church is an entity on to itself. He is simply a figure head...................

Agreed. However, I did mention in my posts that I have met remarkable individuals that are/were part of the Catholic Church. You might have met bad individuals that are Catholics, and I have met a couple of fools (really only Catholic in name anyway), but time and time again I have also met Catholics that were people with remarkable character. There was quite a bit of criticism here towards Fransisco directly, and I basically think it is unfair. If you have an organization whose principals you believe wholeheartedly in, but corruption has seeped in, you can either leave it, or try to turn the tide. Imagine trying to turn the tide on an ancient, strict organization like the Catholic Church. Or imagine if you had to confront the child abuse scandals. It's not like he can just wave a magic wand and make it all better.

The people in the Catholic Church are sometimes good, sometimes bad. You can't just make a sweeping generalization about all those people.

 

[Jaredberryman]

I certainly can't think of anything else he could do for the poor. He's got a lot on his plate riding around smiling, waving, kissing babies and reinforcing superstition.

You seem to be implying here that Pope Francis has never done anything for the poor. That is simply not true. Read up some more on the subject, and I think you will find that he puts you to shame. You might have a point here if the guy was a faker. It doesn't seem to be the case here.

 

[GS_Dirtboy]

I just watched Pope Francis say on live TV that he does not have the right to judge gays. This is much more progressive than I even expected from this man! I've been saying for 20 years that we Christians need to stop judging people that we don't like, are afraid of, are offended by, etc. Christians need to start doing what Christ said that we should do and this is a great example. If we truly understand what we say we believe about Christ vis-a-vis God and man then we'd know we are the last ones to judge anyone.

Finally!

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Agreed. However, I did mention in my posts that I have met remarkable individuals that are/were part of the Catholic Church. You might have met bad individuals that are Catholics, and I have met a couple of fools (really only Catholic in name anyway), but time and time again I have also met Catholics that were people with remarkable character. There was quite a bit of criticism here towards Fransisco directly, and I basically think it is unfair. If you have an organization whose principals you believe wholeheartedly in, but corruption has seeped in, you can either leave it, or try to turn the tide. Imagine trying to turn the tide on an ancient, strict organization like the Catholic Church. Or imagine if you had to confront the child abuse scandals. It's not like he can just wave a magic wand and make it all better.

The people in the Catholic Church are sometimes good, sometimes bad. You can't just make a sweeping generalization about all those people.

Bergoglio is simply the head of a corrupt institution that promotes fraudulent beliefs among gullible people. Nothing more, nothing less.