Gun Control: Rights, Responsibilities, And Privileges

[StevePalermo]

You mean the gun had an accomplice?
Unless I'm mistaken it should read "a gun that had a man".

Believe what you want as long as you do not want to force your irresponsible nonsense into my way of life. Just keep it to yourself and all will be fine. I promise I won't make it mandatory for you to own guns, many guns.

And shoot them. Often.

And enjoy it, with your family.

Can you explain this in coherent english? Are you saying that guns don't need people to pull the trigger, that they do it all on their own?

As far as I know people need a gun to shoot people to death. Guns can't do it without people, and people can't do it without a gun. Its a deadly (literally) combination.

From what you've said before "To counter those highly conclusion oriented fancy studies........" you can't seem to cope with any kind of rational argument, but can you tell me what part of what I said is 'irresponsible nonsense'?

You're losing me here.....

But Merry Christmas! And please have a moment of silence for those families in Connecticut who won't have the opportunity to see their children's excitement and joy.

 

[scotttswan]

We wouldn't need universal healthcare necessarily, just a way for people that have mental health problems to get help. I'm hoping that Obamacare addresses this somehow, but I'm suspicious it doesn't.

Are the crazy people going to pay for this and end up in debt for this help or should society as a whole see health problems as something that affects everyone eventually and possibly help contribute something, maybe in some form of "universal health care" like 99.9% of other so called 1st world countries have?

Otherwise these people might end up being in serious debt with only one way out, maybe they'll acquire a gun and get some money somehow to help their debt problems or maybe they'll take another way out.
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[Iznogud]

Can you explain this in coherent english? Are you saying that guns don't need people to pull the trigger, that they do it all on their own?

As far as I know people need a gun to shoot people to death. Guns can't do it without people, and people can't do it without a gun. Its a deadly (literally) combination.

From what you've said before "To counter those highly conclusion oriented fancy studies........" you can't seem to cope with any kind of rational argument, but can you tell me what part of what I said is 'irresponsible nonsense'?

You're losing me here.....

But Merry Christmas! And please have a moment of silence for those families in Connecticut who won't have the opportunity to see their children's excitement and joy.

It is called "sarcasm". Look it up.
You typed "Killed by a man who had a gun." and following your twisted irresponsible logic maybe it should read that the subject is the gun and the man is the object. I corrected it for you. In your own coherent english, still doesn't sound right, does it?
You are now also saying that people "need' guns to kill each other. You twisted unimaginative puppy. Where there's a will there's a way.

Some of you rather put the blame on the object, that has no choice or saying in the matter, than the person/persons.That is primal fear, it comes not from understanding but from absolute ignorance.
So you still sleep with your lights on?

You were lost long before making it to this thread. Don't think I can help you. Try praying to the Thunder God.

Merry Xmas to you too.

 

[mrporoto]

steve palermo.
you obviously have a reading comprehension problem,you look at the text then try to twist it to attack what you perceive to be a derogatory comment.It's typical pc response,I suspect you are a yank,to claim the moral high ground.Does't work mate.

 

[StevePalermo]

@ Izngogud and mrporoto.

I'm not a "yank", but have many American friends, and I share their despair at the lack of action to prevent these massacres from happening. From the abuse you sling around, I don't think either of you are open to a rational debate on this issue, so I think I'll just leave you two to your guns, glad to live in a country where I can live safely without them being freely available.

 

[EricLovesBA]

... So you still sleep with your lights on? ...

I sleep with the lights on- it slows down the mosquitoes a bit. Considerably less of them realize that it's dusk and time to get to work!


(The following is not particularly directed at you Iznogud. You just happened to be my segue)

Some of the more interesting independent vloggers that I follow on youtube, such as feverIam (no longer an active channel), and StormCloudsGathering for example, talk about how much energy we waste on wedge issues (e.g. abortion, gun control, etc) - issues that sharply divide left and right, which distract us from bigger universal issues such as the transfer of money from the middle class to the ultra rich, or empire-building when we are broke. In the US, the federal government is so overreaching that this type of conversation tends to feel like and exercise in futility. We are hardwired on a more tribal level, where our debate results in some decision that directly affects our lives. Perhaps this fuels resentment and some kind of desperation about at least shifting *somebody* to our point of view. And so the conversation decays, shifting to blame, anger, and disparaging remarks.

If we are to hold a debate, and admittedly, ours is an intriguing group to do so - world travelers, discoverers of other cultures, we have a dimension to add, even if the practical results are dubious. If we are focused on thinking, learning, expanding our social consciousness, then the debate begins to look like it is more worthy of our time. As such, it would be more interesting to see the conversation moving forward with cool intellect, instead of descending into a flame war and fizzling out. Maybe this video is apropos

 

[Iznogud]

... glad to live in a country where I can live safely without them being freely available.

You wouldn't be talking about Argentina, would you?

 

[StevePalermo]

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[StevePalermo]

You wouldn't be talking about Argentina, would you?

I've mentioned where I live three times in this thread, and you commented on two of those posts.

 

[Iznogud]

You are correct, your screen name - my quickest reference - is slightly misleading.

Allow me to recap. You are in country A, sharing your views at a board located at country B over what the folk at country C should do with their lives, freedoms, rights and property. Correct?

Us, dimwitted, get confused so easily
I think I'll blame the breakfast cup of coffee for my lack of sharpness this morning.
Let 's ban coffee, I say! Evil, black assault coffee grains!

Who's with me?

Wait, ... Haven't had breakfast yet.
Nevermind, lets also ban automatic coffee machines, specially those hi-capacity ones. And Expresso machines too.