How Hard Is It To Get Out Of Buenos Aires?

[Matiasba]

You should ask for your money back.

It was free, and no offense, but I consider these people, proffesionals on different careers that had been working and researching for years in this matter, know more than you on the subject.

OK, the different meanings for "General Belgrano" are way confusing. Have a look at the disambiguation page on Wikipedia-

https://en.wikipedia...disambiguation)

I get that we are talking about a location in Argentina, but there are still eight different possibilities. Somebody want to take pity and help me sort this out?

Try San Martin

 

[steveinbsas]

Try San Martin

I've been to San Martin a couple times to pick up items I purchased on Mercado Libre.

I can't imagine anyone from the USA choosing to live there.

What could possibly be appealing enough to any American to make them want to live there?

 

[Redpossum]

I've been to San Martin a couple times to pick up items I purchased on Mercado Libre.

I can't imagine anyone from the USA choosing to live there.

What could possibly be
appealing enough to any American to make them want to live there?

How bad are we talking here? LIke Barrio Logan in San Diego, or like the Colonias on the hillsides above Tijuana?

 

[steveinbsas]

San Martin has OK residential areas (for Argentines only) as well as very bad areas (according to my remise driver).

Don't even consider it.

Stay close to the river if you want to go past Belgrano or Nunez, but then you are getting far from the subte (Linea D),

There are many other areas that are on the other subte lines to consider.

But I suggest you stay within the areas that are reachable by the subte.

How long are you planning on being in BA?

 

[Redpossum]

It' has OK residential areas (for Argentines only) as well as very bad areas (according to my remise driver).

Don't even consider it.

Stay close to the river if you want to go past Belgrano or Nunez, but then you are getting far from the subte (Linea D),

There are many other areas that are on the other subte lines to consider.

But I suggest you stay within the areas that are reachable by the subte.

How long are you planning on being in BA?

Good solid, specific advice. I like it!

How long am I planning to stay in BA? I don't really know. I'm not wedded to the idea of living in Buenos Aires, but I'm definitely thinking of settling in the Argentina/Uruguay area long-term. I have a Brazilian friend online who lobbied me very hard to come to Brazil, but I don't speak more than a dozen words of Portugese, (a tad embarrassing, given that my grandmother's maiden name was Gonsalves). I do want out of the USA permanently. Things are starting to get scary here.

 

[steveinbsas]

Good solid, specific advice. I like it!

How long am I planning to stay in BA? I don't really know. I'm not wedded to the idea of living in Buenos Aires, but I'm definitely thinking of settling in the Argentina/Uruguay area long-term. I have a Brazilian friend online who lobbied me very hard to come to Brazil, but I don't speak more than a dozen words of Portugese, (a tad embarrassing, given that my grandmother's maiden name was Gonsalves). I do want out of the USA permanently. Things are starting to get scary here.

I left the USA in 2000 (moving to Sayulita, Nayarit, Mexico) and came to BA in 2006. Neither move was politically motivated.

My decision to move to the south of BA province was motivated not only by what is happening in the USA, but what could happen in a massively populated area like Buenos Aires during the next crisis. I am near Bahia Blanca, but I would not choose to live there, either. The "sububan village" that is one km from my house will be relatively self sufficient in times of crisis and there is a police "station" on the highway at the first entrance to the village. The stores are not only too small to loot, almost all of them are in the front of the owners' residences. Everyone has bars or heavy shutters on their windows and everyone assumes that everyone else is armed.

You can read more as to why I am living where I do now here: www.goinggaltinargentina.blogspot.com

Even if there never is a crisis which leads to an even "temporary" breakdown of the "civil" society, I don't think I could be happier living anywhere else.

 

[steveinbsas]

..I'm definitely thinking of settling in the Argentina/Uruguay area long-term.

Have you researched the requirements to obtain a resident visa in either country?

If you have not, I suggest you use the advanced search feature of this site, searching the terms "temporary" "residency" and "visa" and also visit the Argentine migraciones website: http://www.migraciones.gov.ar/accesibleingles/

 

[Redpossum]

Have you researched the requirements to obtain a resident visa in either country?

If you have not, I suggest you use the advanced search feature of this site, searching the terms "temporary" "residency" and "visa" and also visit the Argentine migraciones website: http://www.migracion...ccesibleingles/

I've done some research, yes. As I understand it, the path to resident visa and path to citizenship are separate in Argentina. It looks like you can just do the 90-day tourist visa, weekend shuffle to Uruguay thing a dozen times, and you've got your three years residency requirement. But perhaps I've misunderstood. I may also be able to qualify for the investor visa; I got a little equity out of my house when I sold it.

So your blog has an interesting beginning, why haven't you written anything lately?

I used to write regularly in my blog. some silly stuff, some political, but the pieces I take pride in are the strategic analysis essays, like this one, in which I was talking about the South China Sea as far back as August 2010.

Or this one, in which I was talking about the East China Sea in October 2010.

Or this one, in which I attempted to explain Lebanon and its internal issues to a US audience. (if you know much about Lebanon, you're at least smirking right now, and possibly laughing hard enough to blow your drink out your nose)

 

[gusgutier]

Good solid, specific advice. I like it!

How long am I planning to stay in BA? I don't really know. I'm not wedded to the idea of living in Buenos Aires, but I'm definitely thinking of settling in the Argentina/Uruguay area long-term. I have a Brazilian friend online who lobbied me very hard to come to Brazil, but I don't speak more than a dozen words of Portugese, (a tad embarrassing, given that my grandmother's maiden name was Gonsalves). I do want out of the USA permanently. Things are starting to get scary here.

I´ve got curious and if you dont´t mind, I´ll ask you what do you consider scary about USA ?

 

[steveinbsas]

I've done some research, yes. As I understand it, the path to resident visa and path to citizenship are separate in Argentina. It looks like you can just do the 90-day tourist visa, weekend shuffle to Uruguay thing a dozen times, and you've got your three years residency requirement. But perhaps I've misunderstood. I may also be able to qualify for the investor visa; I got a little equity out of my house when I sold it.

Yes, the paths for residency and citizenship are separate, but the "shuffle to Uruguay thing" isn't necessary to get your three years. In fact, you can begin the citizenship process one year after your first arrival in Argentina. The "old" requirement was three years of temporary residency followed by two years of permanent residency and has been obsolete for many years, but was being "applied" in most courts until Dr. Chistian Rubilar (aka bajo_cero2 here) began to challenge that policy a few years ago. He has been very successful representing foreign clients and has won many cases. If you apply for citizenship as early as one year after your arrival, you will need a lawyer.

There is a great deal of information in this forum that you will find informative. You can use the advanced search feature to research topics such as the investor visa, as well as citizenship for foreigners and temporary residency. Going to Uruguay every 90 days may result in a new 90 day visa (which you can extend once for 90 days at migaciones). This practice is still "tolerated" and the long expected "crackdown" on this practice by "pematourists" has not yet occurred. The law seems vague and it is up to the individual border agent to "determine" if the foreigner is circumventing the immigration requirements.

The investor visa requires an investment of a LOT of money and it can't be investments real estate. You would have to have an Argentine "partner" and that would no doubt increase your risk...a lot. My closest Argentine friends have told me several times that the biggest problem with Argentina (from the top to the bottom) is that, in general, the "people are not trustworthy" (though I have found trustworthy individuals in both Capital Federal and out in the province).

If you have an investment income from the USA of $2200 USD (monthly) you can apply for the financier visa (aka visa rentista). Just having money on deposit in the bank isn't enough.