How many of us are still here?

[on the brink]

I'm prepared to live with a cheap dollar if it means that the country, and Argentines, are doing better.

No individual can be really well until everyone else is doing reasonably well, too. Rich people may be insulated by their money, but many have struggling or unemployed relatives. It's hard to be happy when your son is jobless and discouraged.

 

[LuckyLuke]

With so much going on, I'm reviving this thread. I'd rephrase it: WHY are you still here? For those from the US, it seems a weak argument that it's an escape from US politics when the political climate in Argentina has changed so radically.

I came down here so my kids and my wife could be closer to her family. They are wonderful people and I've grown to love the culture over the years. When I was a child my father had the chance to raise me with his family in Belgium in a small farming town, however he took us to the US for a "better life". In the long run it wasn't better, but it was more exciting for him than farms. I don't plan on making the same mistake. Some things in life are more valuable than "valuables".

 

[Música]

With so much going on, I'm reviving this thread. I'd rephrase it: WHY are you still here? For those from the US, it seems a weak argument that it's an escape from US politics when the political climate in Argentina has changed so radically.

We are newly arrived (well family is, I’ve still got a couple weeks in NYC before I join). My wife has been out with the dog in BA and people are genuinely surprised that she’d moved to Argentina. WHY, they ask?

We’ve been coming to Argentina for many years now. Of course Buenos Aires, but also traveled and spent time within the country too and have seen the ups and downs with our own eyes, and through our friends’. We moved to Argentina to begin our new life because we love the country, people, and way of life. We understand the country has many deep issues and problems and challenges that go way back (and have been created anew), so we go into this adventure with our eyes open—I would tell people in the states, Argentina, as any country, has its own problems, but they are not the same ones as in the US. We’ve realized that there’s so much more in Argentina to living beyond dólares y centavos and that isn’t easily quantified, that we find, for us, matches more with how we want to live our lives and for our kid to grow up with. We know there will be challenges and struggles as we transition to the new life, but we also know that this is the place to be for our family.

 

[sergio]

I'm prepared to live with a cheap dollar if it means that the country, and Argentines, are doing better.

No individual can be really well until everyone else is doing reasonably well, too. Rich people may be insulated by their money, but many have struggling or unemployed relatives. It's hard to be happy when your son is jobless and discouraged.

Will the cheap dollar give people a better life? Do you think the country is on the right track?

 

[Konner_Long]

We are newly arrived (well family is, I’ve still got a couple weeks in NYC before I join). My wife has been out with the dog in BA and people are genuinely surprised that she’d moved to Argentina. WHY, they ask?

We’ve been coming to Argentina for many years now. Of course Buenos Aires, but also traveled and spent time within the country too and have seen the ups and downs with our own eyes, and through our friends’. We moved to Argentina to begin our new life because we love the country, people, and way of life. We understand the country has many deep issues and problems and challenges that go way back (and have been created anew), so we go into this adventure with our eyes open—I would tell people in the states, Argentina, as any country, has its own problems, but they are not the same ones as in the US. We’ve realized that there’s so much more in Argentina to living beyond dólares y centavos and that isn’t easily quantified, that we find, for us, matches more with how we want to live our lives and for our kid to grow up with. We know there will be challenges and struggles as we transition to the new life, but we also know that this is the place to be for our family.

Coming to BsAs in Sept (hopefully). Coming for an adventure and to get away from a very different lifestyle. Argentina still has a lot going for it. Very good lifestyle and interesting culture.
Has been really difficult to get the visas in order, but we are willing to give it a chance for three years to see how we like it.

 

[TWB103]

People are putting too much faith in Argentina not changing, just trundling along forever being Argentina, while the rest of the World undergoes seismic changes.

 

[Ries]

People are putting too much faith in Argentina not changing, just trundling along forever being Argentina, while the rest of the World undergoes seismic changes.

As a people, I hardly know anyone right now, in either Argentina or the USA who has any faith, whatsoever, about the future. The future gonna do what the future gonna do.

Also- what “ cheap dollar”?
It sure isnt cheap for argentines, and its buying less for expats. As far as I can tell, current argentine government policies and the forex market isnt making anybody happy.

 

[desde_Holanda]

As a people, I hardly know anyone right now, in either Argentina or the USA who has any faith, whatsoever, about the future. The future gonna do what the future gonna do.

Also- what “ cheap dollar”?
It sure isnt cheap for argentines, and its buying less for expats. As far as I can tell, current argentine government policies and the forex market isnt making anybody happy.

I agree. I think generally speaking life has become more unpredictable anywhere. I do think though that it would and will be difficult to emigrate to Argentina for people who like to minimize risk. I am happy to see loads of people of my age group are thinking 'what the heck, this is more important to me than financial security'; to me it's a kind of confirmation of the choices I am making in this life phase.

 

[perry]

Obviously, Argentina politicians are not basing any policy on whats good for expats.
Personally, I prefer policies that are good for all argentines.
I benefit more from that than roller coaster exchange rates. Yes, sometimes it has been cheaper here in dollars, other times less so.
If the country has low unemployment, fair taxes, a good economy, a functioning manufacturing and export sector, both my day to day life and real estate values do better.

if You are judging a economy because real estate values are better this shows that You have no sympathy for the common people . Poverty rates are the highest in its history the cost of life here the highest of the américas wages for the common man under 500 dollars per month. There is no economic miracle to show here

 

[Ries]

if You are judging a economy because real estate values are better this shows that You have no sympathy for the common people . Poverty rates are the highest in its history the cost of life here the highest of the américas wages for the common man under 500 dollars per month. There is no economic miracle to show here

Huh? I just bought a property this year- and its price was DOWN, due to the crappy economy of Milei. So, my investment, like my argentine friends, in real estate, is not a "miracle"- its another of the disasters due to the current libertarian mania. The sellers were very happy to sell, and it was representative of the many owners who no longer can afford owning vacant family properties that previously cost very little to just sit on.
I have been here since 2007.
All my friends here are Argentine.
I am very aware of the economy, and my point was I am in favor of an economy that benefits Argentines more, and I am not worried if my real estate investments dont go up like bitcoins, as a result.
I have been consistent and clear about my ideas about the economy here for almost 2 decades- we need higher taxes on the corporations, wealthy, and, yes, real estate, especially the 90% of arable land owned by under 1000 wealthy argentines.
we need a government that focuses on value added exports, encoraging and supporting the existing machinery, tool, electrical, ag equipment, shoes, clothing, and other light industries that already exist and employ people.
We need support for health care, education, culture, and infrastructure.
All of which is the exact opposite of current programs, and, to my mind, is why the economy keeps getting worse.