How many of us are still here?

[antipodean]

No need to guess how many Argentines are travelling abroad...

En este verano, más de 3,7 millones de argentinos viajaron al exterior, 73% más que el año pasado

Fueron casi 1,6 millones de turistas locales más los que viajaron en los primeros dos meses de 2025 en comparación con el mismo período del año pasado

www.infobae.com

This summer alone (e.g. a period of 3 months) more than 3.700.000 Argentines travelled abroad, mostly to Brazil. That is 73% more than last year.

ANAC Estadisticas

Estadisticas de la Administración Nacional de Aviacion Civil de la República Argentina.

datos.anac.gob.ar

In terms of domestic air traffic/ tourism, more than a 200.000 more (mostly) Argentines took to the air this January than last January - more than 3 million in total in one month alone.

In the last 12 months with international and domestic traffic combined more than 50 million passenger journeys within, to and from Argentina were performed.

So indeed one can be certain than millions of Argentines are indeed mobile and have money to travel.

 

[nikad]

No need to guess how many Argentines are travelling abroad...

En este verano, más de 3,7 millones de argentinos viajaron al exterior, 73% más que el año pasado

Fueron casi 1,6 millones de turistas locales más los que viajaron en los primeros dos meses de 2025 en comparación con el mismo período del año pasado

www.infobae.com

This summer alone (e.g. a period of 3 months) more than 3.700.000 Argentines travelled abroad, mostly to Brazil. That is 73% more than last year.

ANAC Estadisticas

Estadisticas de la Administración Nacional de Aviacion Civil de la República Argentina.

datos.anac.gob.ar

In terms of domestic air traffic/ tourism, more than a 200.000 more (mostly) Argentines took to the air this January than last January - more than 3 million in total in one month alone.

In the last 12 months with international and domestic traffic combined more than 50 million passenger journeys within, to and from Argentina were performed.

So indeed one can be certain than millions of Argentines are indeed mobile and have money to travel.

People travel not just for tourism but also for business, health and family matters. The number of people that went on vacation to domestic and international destinations is less than 8% of the overall population. There was an increase of 9-12% in the number of people that traveled to international destinations because less people traveled domestically. What I mean is that the number of Argentine tourists did not increase, but actually decreased.

 

[antipodean]

People travel not just for tourism but also for business, health and family matters. The number of people that went on vacation to domestic and international destinations is less than 8% of the overall population. There was an increase of 9-12% in the number of people that traveled to international destinations because less people traveled domestically. What I mean is that the number of Argentine tourists did not increase.

Totally, and airfares and travel expenses still cost money (if not the same, more than before!)
The total amount of air journeys has increased however for both domestic and international.

Have not read it yet, but the latest international tourism report from INDEC is published here:

https://www.indec.gob.ar/uploads/informesdeprensa/eti_03_25229FFD5D4D.pdf

Also anecdotally worth mentioning, Aerolineas Argentinas even made its first profit since 2008 on the back of this combined with cost cutting... US$20m in the black after loosing almost half a billion dollars each year for over a decade. And yet it is still flying and connecting the provinces with record numbers...

 

[FrankPintor]

X/Twitter keeps showing me lots of stuff about Paraguay.

Very cheap, decent infrastructure, low taxes and capitalist economy, just maybe not so much to do and the cities look a dump.

Asuncion, from what I can tell, isn’t a walkable city.

I want to visit to see what all the fuss is about and why the algorithms keep showing it to me.

We've been to Asunción many times, for clothes / electronics / Ozempic shopping. All cheaper than here in BA (our last visit was in November, if I recall correctly). Easy to get to by bus or plane.

It's nice from an expat point of view, easy residency I believe, low taxes as you say, and capitalist / high poverty economy. Not too much to do, and remember it gets very hot, 40 degrees Celsius is not uncommon over the summer months.

For all that there's been an effort to restore the riverfront, it is a bit of a dump, the centre is very sketchy, and only the area around Villamorra / Recoleta could be considered walkable, at least by day. We'll be going back sometime soon.

One of the problems with Paraguay is that it's so undeveloped, there are really nice places to see and visit, but very difficult to get to.

 

[SergeGGG]

The cost of living is NOT greater than the US. It has gone up for food of course but transportation is incredibly cheap...is there a subway in the USA that charges 75 cents? My one bedroom furnished apartment has gone up a lot...now I am paying $500 a month, lol...tell me, is there even a room available in someone's house for that in most US cities??? Clothes prices are stupidly high but have been for many years.

As simple as that, I'm actually from this fair country, but as of now a Londoner by law and let me tell you that a nice apartment in Las Cañitas will cost you the same or even less than a single room in London town. Same for transportation and the likes, the one thing here that is crazy expensive is food, but actually something that would cost you an eye like a steak in London is quite cheap over here.

I guess many expats got used to eating out every single day and such, but is not the end of the world, not yet that is...

Now if you have a family to feed, then that's whole other story.

 

[perry]

No need to guess how many Argentines are travelling abroad...

En este verano, más de 3,7 millones de argentinos viajaron al exterior, 73% más que el año pasado

Fueron casi 1,6 millones de turistas locales más los que viajaron en los primeros dos meses de 2025 en comparación con el mismo período del año pasado

www.infobae.com

This summer alone (e.g. a period of 3 months) more than 3.700.000 Argentines travelled abroad, mostly to Brazil. That is 73% more than last year.

ANAC Estadisticas

Estadisticas de la Administración Nacional de Aviacion Civil de la República Argentina.

datos.anac.gob.ar

In terms of domestic air traffic/ tourism, more than a 200.000 more (mostly) Argentines took to the air this January than last January - more than 3 million in total in one month alone.

In the last 12 months with international and domestic traffic combined more than 50 million passenger journeys within, to and from Argentina were performed.

So indeed one can be certain than millions of Argentines are indeed mobile and have money to travel.

You sell this as a good thing but all this money is being spent out of the country not in Argentina where tourism and consumption has drastically declined since 2023 . By the way most people are travelling for the reason of price and purchasing electronic clothing and other items that are much cheaper in Brazil and everywhere . Argentina for such a gorgeous country should recieve at least 2 as many tourists per year but due to it being more expensive than Europe its priced itself out of the market

 

[sergio]

You make an excellent point. Those who don't have at least 40 credits of contributions under their belt should consider completing it to at least qualify. Not that Social Security is some saving grace. You aren't allowed to earn more than $23,400 once enrolled to qualify for full benefits, which is essentially poverty in the US.



Well, @antipodean mentions "there are up to 4-7 daily flights to Miami and 5-6 daily flights to Madrid from Ezeiza at peak times". The largest plane is Aerolineas' fleet is an Airbus 330-200. It can seat 272 passengers. Therefore we're talking 13 possible flights, which at the largest fleet size, could equal 3,536 passengers daily. At the end of the year (assuming no seasonal variance) this would equal 1,290,640 passengers. Argentina has a population of 45,851,378. So that means 2.81% of the population are flying per year. The top earning class in Argentina represents 5% of the households, so I would say that about lines up.

The maximum monthly Social Security retirement benefit in 2025 is $5,108, achievable by delaying retirement until age 70 and earning the maximum Social Security wage cap for 35 years. For those retiring at full retirement age, the maximum benefit is $4,018 per month in 2025. You can continue working after receiving Social Security payments and earn as much as you want/can earn bur the earnings will be subject to tax. Doesn't sound bad to me.

 

[antipodean]

You sell this as a good thing but all this money is being spent out of the country not in Argentina where tourism and consumption has drastically declined since 2023 . By the way most people are travelling for the reason of price and purchasing electronic clothing and other items that are much cheaper in Brazil and everywhere . Argentina for such a gorgeous country should recieve at least 2 as many tourists per year but due to it being more expensive than Europe its priced itself out of the market

A tourism deficit is not ideal but it beats the alternative of oppression. Millions of Argentines traveling abroad is not a bad thing, they have every right on earth to do so (just like any expat who found their way to their country).

How would you like it if Australia (or wherever you are from) said to you or imposed conditions as though “you cannot spend your money outside of Australia” while keeping you there, forcing you to work a job that is pays in you in money worthless abroad simply to serve greedy foreigners cheap coffee and cake?

The tourism deficit should of course be worked on the government. Argentina has always needed to do a better job of promoting itself and reinventing itself as a destination on the world stage as a destination, not just depending on being a “bargain” every few years when the economy hits the fan. It is worth noting that other countries often experience a tourism deficit including: US, China, Germany, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, and their solution is also not by way of pimping out their citizens to “rich” foreign tourists for a quick buck.

 

[Che1990]

As simple as that, I'm actually from this fair country, but as of now a Londoner by law and let me tell you that a nice apartment in Las Cañitas will cost you the same or even less than a single room in London town. Same for transportation and the likes, the one thing here that is crazy expensive is food, but actually something that would cost you an eye like a steak in London is quite cheap over here.

I guess many expats got used to eating out every single day and such, but is not the end of the world, not yet that is...

Now if you have a family to feed, then that's whole other story.

As a Londoner native and now “porteño by law”, I agree.

In 2015, when I left London for BA, I was paying £750 (US$1000) per month for a room in a house on the outskirts of town, say Vicente López equivalent. On top of that, I paid £250 (US$300) per month for public transport to get to the centre of London for work each day.

And that was 10 years ago.

Here, $1000 will get you a nice apartment in central areas like Palermo, Belgrano, Cañitas etc

 

[Vossos]

As a Londoner native and now “porteño by law”, I agree.

In 2015, when I left London for BA, I was paying £750 (US$1000) per month for a room in a house on the outskirts of town, say Vicente López equivalent. On top of that, I paid £250 (US$300) per month for public transport to get to the centre of London for work each day.

And that was 10 years ago.

Here, $1000 will get you a nice apartment in central areas like Palermo, Belgrano, Cañitas etc

I always found the travel component with working in London absolutely insane. A season ticket for me from the Home Counties would today be almost £7000 a year. That along with the frozen income tax thresholds make the southeast completely unliveable