How to get my Euros (or US$) from GER?

Greg2231 said:
Maybe you should ask the people that are getting screwed

Well, and where is that people? i dont find them... oh yea, are people like you no? JA

Now you assuming, Argentina very well may be my country, and by the way my pocket has no pains whatever country I choose to lay my head in:)

Greg2231 said:
yea... sure and you complain with the exchange rate policies.....AND say that the government scam people, i think the numbers are not so so good like before for you

Greg2231 said:
Oh and by the way you keep ignoring my reverse auction challenge, and offer to exchange Dollars at 5.50, are you going to up your offer of 5.00?

Definitivally you took the wrong pill grandpa... do you read? what is happening there?? hellooooo helloooo anybody home? think mcfly think :rolleyes:
 
pashi said:
Definitivally you took the wrong pill grandpa... do you read? what is happening there?? hellooooo helloooo anybody home? think mcfly think :rolleyes:
I did think about it, and you are going to get no takers at your offer of 5.00, and I very well hope I get no takers at my offer of 5.50, because I have better things to do than screw people on exchange rates, as I have no need for the little bit of pesos I could make off them unlike apparently you.

Grandpa? You are incorrectly assuming things again.

P.S. learn how to properly multi-quote a message.
 
pashi said:
Definitivally you took the wrong pill grandpa... think mcfly think :rolleyes:

Do you sell Grandpa pills as well? Are they better than Mr McFly's? What's your best price please?

Others on here kindly desist your Pashi-bashing he's only trying to provide us with good service. These are difficult times. And he needs to polish his communicative skills.
 
Greg2231 said:
I did think about it, and you are going to get no takers at your offer of 5.00, and I very well hope I get no takers at my offer of 5.50, because I have better things to do than screw people on exchange rates, as I have no need for the little bit of pesos I could make off them unlike apparently you.

Grandpa? You are incorrectly assuming things again.

P.S. learn how to properly multi-quote a message.

"Screw people".... jaja definitively you need to take a dictionary dude. You can accept or not what i propose. I definitively think you have problems with you pocket. May be you need to go to bolivia or peru where will get more money for each dollar. Thanks to god im very well, and im not needing pesos, im looking for dollars and AGAIN seems that not only need to take the green pill, also you need to buy a new pair of lenses MCFLY :D
 
pashi said:
"Screw people".... jaja definitively you need to take a dictionary dude. You can accept or not what i propose. I definitively think you have problems with you pocket. May be you need to go to bolivia or peru where will get more money for each dollar. Thanks to god im very well, and im not needing pesos, im looking for dollars and AGAIN seems that not only need to take the green pill, also you need to buy a new pair of lenses MCFLY :D
Well you are offering to give people 20% below the Blue markt rate for Dollars, as you apparently have a need for them, I call that screwing people!!

And if anyone is desperate enough for pesos to think about taking you up on your offer, well then I will give them 5.50 per Dollar:) So if you want to have a chance to buy some Dollars you need to raise your offer.

Don't worry I am going on a trip very soon, but alas it will not be Bolivia or Peru, but instead Mexico, California, Shanghai, London, and Paris for 4 weeks before returning back to Argentina

If your travel plans overlap I would be happy to sell you some Dollars if you run short, I have plenty, though I will need at least 7.00 pesos per Dollar.
 
Greg2231 said:
Well you are offering to give people 20% below the Blue markt rate for Dollars, as you apparently have a need for them, I call that screwing people!!

And if anyone is desperate enough for pesos to think about taking you up on your offer, well then I will give them 5.50 per Dollar:) So if you want to have a chance to buy some Dollars you need to raise your offer.

Don't worry I am going on a trip very soon, but alas it will not be Bolivia or Peru, but instead Mexico, California, Shanghai, London, and Paris for 4 weeks before returning back to Argentina

If your travel plans overlap I would be happy to sell you some Dollars if you run short, I have plenty, though I will need at least 7.00 pesos per Dollar.

Well dude, definitely i think you smoke herb when posting..... have you enough brain matter to understand i dont need pesos?? or you lose it in your last trip? if i offering a value under of the "blue market" is because im not a cave, that's kind of places just isn't my business, i just offer pesos for people WHO DONT KNOW WHERE is a cave or just dont trust in them, for their own security or whatever else they think and have no problem to have a fewer coins for getting pesos IN A BANK.... its under each one to decide enter in a place where can be scammed or not!. Again take a dictionary and read it, you need it, for your own good !!!

And btw, you really looks really patetic talking about the "amount of dollar" that you have, or the places that you will visited, topics never discused here.
Thanks for demostrate in fact the real insecure that you are.;)
 
pashi said:
Well dude, definitely i think you smoke herb when posting..... have you enough brain matter to understand i dont need pesos?? or you lose it in your last trip? if i offering a value under of the "blue market" is because im not a cave, that's kind of places just isn't my business, i just offer pesos for people WHO DONT KNOW WHERE is a cave or just dont trust in them, for their own security or whatever else they think and have no problem to have a fewer coins for getting pesos IN A BANK.... its under each one to decide enter in a place where can be scammed or not!. Again take a dictionary and read it, you need it, for your own good !!!

And btw, you really looks really patetic talking about the "amount of dollar" that you have, or the places that you will visited, topics never discused here.
Thanks for demostrate in fact the real insecure that you are.;)
Can you read? I wasn't offering to sell you pesos, but rather Dollars for the special rate of only 7 Pesos for 1 Dollar:)

I have also offered to sell anyone that needs Pesos, them at a rate of 5.50 Peosos for 1 Dollar(which by the way is a sh*t rate which I woud advise people not to accept as the should be getting at least 6.00), maybe that is were your confusion is from:confused:

So when you get desperate give me a call and I will get you the Dollars you need:D
 
So you sell a dollar for 7 pesos jajajjaja well in the end you are very funny:rolleyes:, you filled the mouth writing about scamming, etc, etc, and that's your offer to me. Well dude thanks by the offer, i apreciate it, really very much.:)
But i get dollars all the weekend from my brother country.

PS Dont forget to leave your phone in case that "i get desperate " for dollars jajaja :D
 
pashi said:
So you sell a dollar for 7 pesos jajajjaja well in the end you are very funny:rolleyes:, you filled the mouth writing about scamming, etc, etc, and that's your offer to me. Well dude thanks by the offer, i apreciate it, really very much.:)
But i get dollars all the weekend from my brother country.

PS Dont forget to leave your phone in case that "i get desperate " for dollars jajaja :D
well lets look at it this way, The Dollar Blue is trading for around 6.30 today, and you offered to give people 5.00 which is 20.5% below the blue rate, my offer to you is only 11% above the Blue rate(almost twice as fair as yours)If you want I can revise that offer to be equal to yours at 20.5% above the Blue rate which would be 7.60 for 1 Dollar:D

Don't worry I will PM you my phone number.
 
I've read this rather bizarre exchange and am trying to figure out if:

1) Pashi believes that the government is not distorting the dollar market (for whatever reason, fair to Argentine citizens or not) by holding the value of the peso at an unreasonable rate that now most countries/peoples/entities won't accept unless they are forced into it (like a provincial government paying back dollar-denominated debt at the official peso rate, as discussed in another thread. Ah gee, couldn't possibly be a scam what the province is doing, could it?).

2) That everyone should ignore the black market rate, created by the government here (directly or indirectly - see "Laws of Unintended Consequences" which usually has a lot to do with government meddling in markets) because it's some kind of sin to want to trade anything at its actual value rather than just accept what a government says, no matter its motivations.

3) That he is somehow being altruistic and honest in his offer and really thinks he is doing people a good thing?

I have to say, I can go down just about any time I want to and change money at an arbolito or a cueva. Yes, cuevas are a bit harder to find and take some effort to get introduced to, etc, but I know a couple that I do business with (as well as MANY Argentinos, who I see there every time I go for my own business!). Arbolitos, however, are a dime a dozen and while you may not get the rate at an arbolito that you can get at a cueva, the difference is miniscule when compared to the rate Pashi is offering, and an arbolito is a very good way for tourists or short-term expats to change money.

Anyone who tells you that you have more possibility of being scammed at one of these types of places either is repeating unsubstantiated rumors or has some other reason for telling you that. As I've mentioned before, in over 6 years of doing business at both cuevas and arbolitos, I've NEVER been slightly scammed, and indeed, I have been able to substantiate the withdrawal of a $100 peso counterfeit note that was given to me at a CitiBank ATM - once. So based on those numbers, I've had more luck at black market locations than official locations and profited better as well.

I do know ONE guy who was ripped off after leaving a cueva (followed home) by what seemed to be a secretary in the cueva calling a confederate and alerting him to a large amount of cash. I know more people, however, who have been ripped off after walking away from an ATM (3).

Even if I couldn't find an arbolito or cueva, I'd still seek out people that have pesos to sell at a better rate than what the government offers. But if it's a "whole" 6% increase over the official rate it's not worth my time, not to mention the possible dangers of meeting with someone I don't know to get that little difference. I think I'd rather just withdraw from my ATM or go to an official casa de cambio than get that extra 6%. Not worth the effort. Think about it - 6 extra pesos for every 100 pesos I get that way. All of $1 USD at the blue rate (or an entire $1.28 at the official rate!!). As opposed to around 30 pesos extra for every hundred at the black market rate.

This whole conversation from Pashi's side reminds me a little of a scam I had attempted perpetrated against me back in the early '80s. I was driving a pickup, doing pickups and deliveries for a construction company, at the time. I had stopped for gas and while pumping, this guy comes up to me (a foreigner, from somewhere in Africa, from his accent) and asks me if I trust banks in the US. I said, sure, of course (it was a long time ago, I was quite young, about 22 or so). He proceeds to pull out a large roll of $100 bills, which he said was $50K. He told me that if I would take him to a bank, deposit the money in my account, and then withdraw it afterward to prove that it could be done, he'd give me $1000 of the cash.

Of course, it was a scam. I don't remember the details of the scam now, but something would change at the bank and I'd have to take some of my own balance out as well and somehow I'd end up losing that part of it and of course never see the $1000 he mentioned as well.

I'm not saying Pashi is a scammer, maybe he just doesn't understand how markets work or something.

But I can't help but wonder what would happen to someone who takes him up on his offer and accompanies him to the bank...that's the part that reminded me of the scammer I mentioned. It seems so on-the-level, so much so that he's even willing to take you to the bank and do everything in the clear. But all while mentioning something so bizarre about the exchange rates - alarm bells of some sort should be going off, I'd think. Maybe I'm just paranoid.

That second part seems more like him trying to pick on "the weak and ignorant." In this case hoping that he (not necessarily Pashi, but the image of the scammer that is accompanying the alarm bells going off in my head related to the strange point of view Pashi's holding on to) can trim off some tourist who reads this, who really doesn't know any better, fears things like finding an arbolito (who, in my opinion, shouldn't be traveling here if that's really such a fear for them - there's a lot more stuff to be caught out on here, I can guarantee) and would be happy to get something better than they can get at the ATM or official cambios. Even if it's 6% (some people's greed comes at such a low threshold, it's true).

People I know personally, outside of the city, particularly in poorer areas, are lucky to find someone to change their pesos to dollars at 7.5 pesos to the dollar (I know this is the reverse of what Pashi's offering but still is a comparison). I've changed a few thousand dollars over the last few months for these people at the blue rate as published on the various sites we all know about that give out such info instead of such a high rate. I find myself needing to buy pesos for living expenses and don't need to make a profit - and completely understand their desire to put their hard-earned money into something that holds value a bit better than the peso. (Although I also tell them to watch out - in a year and a half or so, we may find the dollar worthless. But if that happens, I think a lot of the world is going to be in trouble anyway).

Win-win situation. They get a much better rate (but still a real market rate, even if it is "blue") and I don't have to walk down to an arbolito or cueva to augment expenses when I didn't send down enough cash for the month.

Of course, everyone I know (and probably even more that I don't know) would come to me if I was insane enough to offer them 5-1 and I'd lose money hand-over-fist.
 
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