Industria Argentina , Is There Anything That Doesnt Break?

[CarryOn]

Because they are the "master race" of Latin America, they don't bow their heads like the blacks and browns around them do, and are they poised for much greater things. You just wait. It will happen at any second now.

Can we stay on topic? No need to bring race (or racism)-baiting into a conversation about faulty kettles...

 

[Matiasba]

Indeed, and as Matias implied on a past post, because the Brazilians were nice and subservient to the white men from the north, the country was allowed to prosper.

What I said and mantein is that when WWII finished emerged a dominant power, the US, who had the power to reactivate economies, such as japan or Europe, by the Marshall Plan. When it came the moment to choose which countries would have better economies, (yes, the Marshall plan was so important in global economy that could determinate that) they have chosen some key economies, despite having been their enemies (Japan, Germany) to prevent comunism, since the cold war was there.

Argentina was one of the power economies but they appart us because of Peron and the affinity with germans and fascism. They also gave their back to Spain, with Franco, although later gave him support in the 60s, again because of the fear of communism. Thats why lots of americans corporations invested in Spain.

Unlike Argentina, Brazil faught in WWII, participed, sent troops, brazilian people died in WWII, and that does not happen with Argentina. So if you have the power to determinate the course of some countries economies, would you help more or less to your aies? wouldnt you punish your enemies and help your allies?

 

[jeff1234]

Lots of excuses here, apparently even Hitler is partially responsible for the sad state of Argentina's economy.
The truth is that there have been very few, if any successful socialist economies because they dont motivate risk takers, dont foster competition and dont reward excellence.

 

[camberiu]

Unlike Argentina, Brazil faught in WWII, participed, sent troops, brazilian people died in WWII, and that does not happen with Argentina. So if you have the power to determinate the course of some countries economies, would you help more or less to your aies? wouldnt you punish your enemies and help your allies?

So, you think the primary factor that caused Brazil to surpass Argentina economically and technologically was that Brazil sent troops to fight in Europe and Argentina did not. So,Brazil was blessed by the US and allowed to prosper while every effort made by Argentina was sabotaged by a vindictive Uncle Sam. Is that it?

 

[Matiasba]

So, you think the primary factor that caused Brazil to surpass Argentina economically and technologically was that Brazil sent troops to fight in Europe and Argentina did not. So,Brazil was blessed by the US and allowed to prosper while every effort made by Argentina was sabotaged by a vindictive Uncle Sam. Is that it?

Of course not!!
I did never ever said that or something similar.
What I say is that some beneffits from being an allie, unlike Argentina who had sympathy with Germany, Barzil must have had.

 

[Ries]

Thats just silly.
The USA, and the bankers and corporations that run it, have never hesitated in the slightest to screw its allies out of whatever they have that is worth taking.
Argentina should be thankful it was never considered as good an "ally" as Puerto Rico, or Honduras, or South Vietnam...

 

[Matiasba]

Im talking of the Marshall Plan, it was one of the factors that made Argentina decadent. It was a very important moment, if I remember correctly that Plan put barriers to Argentina exports to Europe, it was the beggining of the decadence, that with other stuffs too, but the Plan Marshall "ninguneó" an important economy as it was Argentina in that period. And our (no) participation in WWII has to do with it.

 

[ARbound]

Now to steer the thread back on topic...

I bought a satchel (which is essentially a purse, but I keep it cleaner than any woman's I've seen, sorry ladies) at the
open air market place in Palermo almost two months ago for like $240 ARS I think, and I could never find something
that great in Canada/USA/Europe that was affordable. It's leather, metal magnetic clasps, good zipper & adjustable
strap, couldn't be happier.

My roommate and I bought an Industria Tierra del Fuego LG TV and I have to say, it's as good as the kind I bought
at Best Buy from China, and not too expensive, about $3,800.00 ARS, crystal clear quality, 32" Full 1080P HD.

We also bout a fridge from Coto, TopHouse I think? So far so good, $2,400.00 ARS more or less.

Now for clothes, I've never bought here because I hardly bought in North America too. Thankfully I only ruin socks
very fast. I get my boxers from the United States (Made In USA I think) just because I'm not a petit guy, and shirts
I don't ware out that much luckily.

My razors are all made in Manaus and I like them a lot better than the ones I bought in Canada.

I will admit somethings I've seen that are Industria Argentina are shit, but I look at it this way:

So far all the things I've wanted to buy/needed to buy on a daily/monthly bases that come from Argentina
are acceptable to good quality. I also would much rather give the money to companies and people here
than ones in China seeing as it keeps people employed locally, the pay is better here, and there are much
better labor laws/rights in Argentina than China for workers, and I favor protectionism (to a certain degree,
not the amount going on here). Finally, when the products are made here/Brasil, that means its taken a lot
less time and fuel to get here as opposed to China, which is better for the planet. I know, I'm just socialist,
but I prefer to have adults working to make my goods and hurting the planet less to get them...

 

[Davidglen77]

This evening while making hummus my top house blender started to snap, crackle & pop and the motor died. It's only years old, and I use it maybe twice a month tops. Cost $100 pesos about 5 years ago. Now I am sure I will be looking at $300 pesos to replace it. If anyone is selling a used blender, let me know.

 

[johnw100]

[font=Helvetica Neue'][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]I dont know about the UK- but in the USA, the cheap leather sofas are imported from China, and they are all pigskin, not cowhide. And the construction is incredibly cheap- soft wood stapled together.
I had a sofa made to order in Buenos Aires, with real leather, and it was both cheaper AND better than the ones I could buy at furniture stores in the USA- around $800 US, as I recall (that was almost five years ago)
Similar sofas at real furniture stores (not Ikea) in the US easily run $1000 and up.
I dont consider Ikea to be real furniture- I have bought a fair amount of it over the years, for kids rooms and offices- and I have found it is good for one use- generally it will not stand up to being moved. I have several "wood" Ikea shelving units that have fallen apart just standing still in one place...
So a $400 Ikea leather sofa, to me, is not comparable to a hand made Argentine sofa, made from hardwood, real leather, and assembled using upholstery techniques, as opposed to stapling and knockdown bolts.

I recently bought a very nice industria argentina ball winder, for yarn- 1/4 the price of the japanese models sold in the USA, and better materials and quality.

I have Franke stainless kitchen equipment- industria argentian, division of a Swiss company- my stainless sink and hood are very high quality, and cost about 1/3 what equivalent stuff costs in the USA.
Similarly, I bought FV grifferia for my bath and kitchen- its chrome plated cast bronze, and functions perfectly after years of use. In the US, you get crappy pot metal faucets from china, with the inner workings all plastic, on anything less than $200 or $300 or so- in fact, I was in a faucet showroom last year, and the average price in the US for good quality was $800 to $2000 for kitchen faucet sets- equivalent to a $200 or so FV unit, hecho in Argentina. I liked, but passed on, a shower/tub combo in the US that cost $5000!

There are two price ranges in the USA- incredibly cheap, made in china crap, sold at walmart. And then, real US or Euro made stuff, that, generally, runs about 3 to 4 times what Argentine stuff costs, if not more.
I think most of you who complain have never bought top end stuff in the USA.
A decent kitchen range, for example, from a quality US manufacturer, can easily run $3000 to $6000 dollars, and I know people who have spent twenty thousand USD for an imported French stove.
A Viking or similar high end fridge is 4 to 6 grand- and the interior is exactly the same crappy plastic that comes in an Argentine fridge. I foolishly bought a Viking some 12 years or so ago, for what I thought was an extortionate three grand or so- and have had to rebuild virtually the entire interior, making new stainless shelf supports, drawer handles, and so on, as the unbelievably expensive repair parts are exactly the same quality as a fridge from FraVega would be, that cost a few hundred dollars.[/background][/font]

Quite surprised that you are finding things cheaper in Argentina than in the U.S. Its similar to the UK where as you have the cheap china imports and then the european makes but sometimes its difficult to tell the difference. I bought 2 tall bathroom taps, one from a euro brand and another a 1/4 of the price from a chinese manufacturer on ebay to see the difference. And surprisingly the chinese one weighed double of the euro and felt solid throughout.
We`ve recently built a house here so I know all about bathrooms & kitchens. Have to say I imported half of my taps/facets from the UK because they were a 1/3rd of the price. And I checked the local FV,etc brands and the quality was inferior to the ones I brought from the uk, they were branded uk taps they feel significantly better made than FV.
I`ve also always bought NEFF, AEG, Bosche products back home and they are massively better quality and features than argentine brands that cost more.

Same is for extractor fans, bought one here for £200 and it has horrible stainless steel that is warped in places and impossible to keep clean, The fan sounds like a 747 taking off as it only has one speed setting and it has one small light bulb on one side that turned up broken. Plus no grease filter. For £160 in the UK i couldve bought a NEFF or AEG with more features and better looking and easy clean stainless steel.



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