Is the Argentine Economy Going to Collapse?

The thing about the export taxes (retenciones) on agricultural products (like soy) is that it isn´t "cooparticipable", that is, it gooes all to the national government and not to the provinces from where the products actually come from. This was one of the complains of the provinces in the conflict.

I still think that the export taxes are quite ridiculous, specially at the level we have.
 
When you have a devaluation of 300% you need to have some kind of taxation especially with lands with such a high yields. A global income tax is probally the best option but this is hard to archive. Export taxation is easier to arrchive.

If the retenenciones were companied with a good global view to increase production it would be ok, the problem is with the second part not with the first part

A country just can't become a soya-monoculture and with the culture of the Argentines you can only avoid it by pointing a gun on the same Argentines
 
BlahBlah said:
When you have a devaluation of 300% you need to have some kind of taxation especially with lands with such a high yields. A global income tax is probally the best option but this is hard to archive. Export taxation is easier to arrchive.

If the retenenciones were companied with a good global view to increase production it would be ok, the problem is with the second part not with the first part

A country just can't become a soya-monoculture and with the culture of the Argentines you can only avoid it by pointing a gun on the same Argentines
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Are you into Agriculture or you're just throwing "monoculture" out there as a political panflet? I don't personally own fields but just by looking at some investment opportunities or even going through a Rural section of La Nacion I can see that Grapes, Maize, Lumber, and Sunflowers are just as hot.


If any human being of any culture is being held at a point of a gun: Do you believe his IQ goes up or down?

You mentioned increasing production? Would you suggest that brute muscular force is the way to do it in these times, or thinking? And do you think a mind can work by force or decree?

The very same reason "the Culture of the Argentines" is in such state of affairs is because they were held at the point of a gun for most of their history.
 
BlahBlah said:
When you have a devaluation of 300% you need to have some kind of taxation especially with lands with such a high yields. A global income tax is probally the best option but this is hard to archive. Export taxation is easier to arrchive.

If the retenenciones were companied with a good global view to increase production it would be ok, the problem is with the second part not with the first part

A country just can't become a soya-monoculture and with the culture of the Argentines you can only avoid it by pointing a gun on the same Argentines
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Are you into Agriculture or you're just throwing "monoculture" out there as a political panflet? I don't personally own fields but just by looking at some investment opportunities or even going through a Rural section of La Nacion I can see that Grapes, Maize, Lumber, and Sunflowers are just as hot.


If any human being of any culture is being held at a point of a gun: Do you believe his IQ goes up or down?

You mentioned increasing production? Would you suggest that brute muscular force is the way to do it in these times, or thinking? And do you think a mind can work by force or decree?

The very same reason "the Culture of the Argentines" is in such state of affairs is because they had been held at the point of a gun for most of their history.
 
Well, as long as there seems to be enough money to buy "fútbol" at a price of 600 million pesos, I guess government finances are doing just fine... Hell, they even used the cadena nacional (they didn't even do that for the mexican flu outbreak).

LANACION.COM.AR: Cristina comparó el manejo privado de la TV en el fútbol con la dictadura

"Tras firmar el nuevo acuerdo de televisación del fútbol entre el Gobierno y la AFA, la presidenta Cristina Kirchner comparó el manejo privado de la transmisión de partidos de fútbol con lo ocurrido durante la última dictadura.
"¿Saben por qué es esto?", se preguntó. "Porque no es posible que sólo el que pueda pagar pueda mirar un partido, que además secuestren los goles hasta el domingo aunque pagues igual, como te secuestran la palabra o te secuestran las imágenes, como antes secuestraron y desaparecieron a 30 mil argentinos", sostuvo.
La Presidenta advirtió entonces que no quiere "más una sociedad de secuestros de personas ni de palabras ni de imágenes ni de ideas, sino una sociedad cada día más libre".
Monopolio. Cristina definió el convenio como "un paso grande en la democratización de la sociedad". "En esa lucha por la libertad muchas veces se dan tensiones entre lo que es el poder de la ciudadanía y las corporaciones, que siempre van a seguir existiendo. Pero las corporaciones, que las hay, que son económicas y pueden ser culturales, lo importante es que no se vuelvan monopólicas, porque cuando esto sucede, pretenden adueñarse de la vida y de la opinión, del patrimonio y del honor de los argentinos; vivimos en una sociedad menos democrática, más extorsiva", agregó.
Crítica. La Presidenta señaló además que faltan hacer muchas cosas. "Mientras a un solo argentino le falte cosas básicas, estaremos en deuda; pero permítanme decirle a todos los dirigentes, de todos los clubes, que han tenido un valor para enfrentar demasiadas cosas que sería bueno también que lo tuvieran otros sectores de la sociedad con mayor responsabilidad institucional y popular que ustedes".
 
And Nik had just previously made a joke in la Foto que habla:
Chavez says to Cristina "To our people we must give them bread"
And her exellency answers "Right, because they've had enough circus already"

Well.... seems they need just a little bit more of it!
 
ReemsterCARP said:
Well, as long as there seems to be enough money to buy "fútbol" at a price of 600 million pesos, I guess government finances are doing just fine... Hell, they even used the cadena nacional (they didn't even do that for the mexican flu outbreak).

LANACION.COM.AR: Cristina comparó el manejo privado de la TV en el fútbol con la dictadura

"Tras firmar el nuevo acuerdo de televisación del fútbol entre el Gobierno y la AFA, la presidenta Cristina Kirchner comparó el manejo privado de la transmisión de partidos de fútbol con lo ocurrido durante la última dictadura.
"¿Saben por qué es esto?", se preguntó. "Porque no es posible que sólo el que pueda pagar pueda mirar un partido, que además secuestren los goles hasta el domingo aunque pagues igual, como te secuestran la palabra o te secuestran las imágenes, como antes secuestraron y desaparecieron a 30 mil argentinos", sostuvo.
La Presidenta advirtió entonces que no quiere "más una sociedad de secuestros de personas ni de palabras ni de imágenes ni de ideas, sino una sociedad cada día más libre".
Monopolio. Cristina definió el convenio como "un paso grande en la democratización de la sociedad". "En esa lucha por la libertad muchas veces se dan tensiones entre lo que es el poder de la ciudadanía y las corporaciones, que siempre van a seguir existiendo. Pero las corporaciones, que las hay, que son económicas y pueden ser culturales, lo importante es que no se vuelvan monopólicas, porque cuando esto sucede, pretenden adueñarse de la vida y de la opinión, del patrimonio y del honor de los argentinos; vivimos en una sociedad menos democrática, más extorsiva", agregó.
Crítica. La Presidenta señaló además que faltan hacer muchas cosas. "Mientras a un solo argentino le falte cosas básicas, estaremos en deuda; pero permítanme decirle a todos los dirigentes, de todos los clubes, que han tenido un valor para enfrentar demasiadas cosas que sería bueno también que lo tuvieran otros sectores de la sociedad con mayor responsabilidad institucional y popular que ustedes".
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Seems like an expensive way to make Clarin pay
 
The president also need a lesson in history, there were little over 8900 desparecidos
 
Matt84 said:
Are you into Agriculture or you're just throwing "monoculture" out there as a political panflet? I don't personally own fields but just by looking at some investment opportunities or even going through a Rural section of La Nacion I can see that Grapes, Maize, Lumber, and Sunflowers are just as hot.


If any human being of any culture is being held at a point of a gun: Do you believe his IQ goes up or down?

You mentioned increasing production? Would you suggest that brute muscular force is the way to do it in these times, or thinking? And do you think a mind can work by force or decree?

The very same reason "the Culture of the Argentines" is in such state of affairs is because they were held at the point of a gun for most of their history.
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Dialogue should be a good start
 
Cristina & Nestor bought futbol for more control, owning futbol in this country gives you crazy amounts of power to manipulate the people. I doubt the investigation into their personal finances will amount to anything, but my god it would be nice to see them fall.
 
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