It’s official Joe Biden becomes the 46 President of the United States.

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camberiu said:
Well, the only positive thing I can say about Biden is that he is not Trump. Other than that, he is just another establishment, Wall Street bought, Military-Industrial Complex owned American politician. In many ways, I expect it to be like when we went from Cristina to Macri: A marginal improvement and a major disappointment. And speaking of Argentian comparisons:
For almost a century, this country has dealt with the ghost of Peronism, which is the cult like following of the former populist/demagogue leader, Juan Peron. It has shaped Argentina's political discourse ever since.

America is about to experience its own version of Peronism: Trumpism. Trump's political influence will continue even after his last day in office and even after his last day alive.
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I’ve been making both these points, is good to see I’m not the only one. It’s also the case that you were arguing this very point very early on.
As for your other point -

camberiu said:
His style of politics is not going away. Just imagine how much power a slightly more polished and less impulsive Trump like politician will be able to gather in the US in the future.
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This was argued convincingly the other day by one of the best:
America’s Next Authoritarian Will Be Much More Competent
 
Unfortunately many people talk as if the Trump presidency was the political equivalent of trying to release a fart and accidentally shitting on your pants: It is a one time accident and after it is done, all you have to do is go home, wash your underwear, go on with life and forget the whole thing ever happened.

I think folks need to remember that the Trump presidency was not a glitch, error or accident. It was the symptom of the broad disenchantment with traditional American politicians.

If Joe Biden (a centrist establishment politician who is almost indistinguishable from a moderate republican) fails to deliver quickly meaningful changes that directly benefit those who were left behind economically, expect the rise of a new Trump like demagogue.

As the article you posted points out, God help us if the next one is slightly more polished and less impulsive than the current one.
 
ben said:
It’s also the case that you were arguing this very point very early on.
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I wish I could claim this was the results of some amazing intellectual capability on my part. The reality is that if you have lived in Latin america long enough, even someone of a mediocre intellect as myself can start smelling political demagogues like him for a mile away.
 
UK Man said:
At least he's not an old codger!! :)
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Ah, you misunderstood. My fault, I wasn't clear. Where was Boris Johnson born?
Answer that question, review your original question, to which I was responding, and see if that doesn't put a different color on my comment.
 
camberiu said:
Unfortunately many people talk as if the Trump presidency was the political equivalent of trying to release a fart and accidentally shitting on your pants: It is a one time accident and after it is done, all you have to do is go home, wash your underwear, go on with life and forget the whole thing ever happened.

I think folks need to remember that the Trump presidency was not a glitch, error or accident. It was the symptom of the broad disenchantment with traditional American politicians.

If Joe Biden (a centrist establishment politician who is almost indistinguishable from a moderate republican) fails to deliver quickly meaningful changes that directly benefit those who were left behind economically, expect the rise of a new Trump like demagogue.

As the article you posted points out, God help us if the next one is slightly more polished and less impulsive than the current one.
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My hopes for why this will turn out better in America than in Argentina revolve around the fact that American institutions still have many more stakeholders than does Argentina.

In Argentina, Peronism has completely taken root and permeated all sectors of society. This process is complete and self-perpetuating, absent a major structural shift that will almost certainly owe to some dramatic external force. In America, enough people still have enough to lose from this happening. Hopefully.
 
ben said:
In Argentina, Peronism has completely taken root and permeated all sectors of society. This process is complete and self-perpetuating, absent a major structural shift that will almost certainly owe to some dramatic external force. In America, enough people still have enough to lose from this happening. Hopefully.
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I wished I shared your optimism.
But let's not forget that in this latest election, Trump got more total popular votes than Obama. That is a lot of people. And social media, with its amplifying echo chambers, will ensure that Trumpism is not drown out by mainstream media.
I think this political movement is here to stay, but would loved to be proved wrong.
 
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