Latin Americas move to the left Good ? OR Bad

[AlexfromLA]

Most of the people posting in these threads are tools. They really don't know anything about the subject AT ALL, NOTHING. So what to we hear from them ? Sound bites from Fox News. It is verbatim the same weak simplistic talking points that you hear on hannity et al. It's so half assed and mindless that it hardly makes any sense and you kinda end up feeling sorry for the person who is mindlessly repeating it like a sock puppet.

It's really laughable that people would repeat the drivel that comes from the mass market media in public, as if it was somehow intelligent cogent lucid analysis and didn't make them sounds like idiots.

I'm just glad the majority of Latin Americans see things the right way and vote accordingly. Who cares what illegal immigrants think.

 

[polostar88]

Read my signature....please!....and find out what 'he' means with it.

Emerge from your comfortable and restricting cocoon and discover an all new world of propaganda and interest at play.
Its not good to listening the same bell sound over and over again, sometimes changing it will open your asleep mind.

Oliver Stone documentary:

South of the Border

You're repeating the same tired lines used for the past 40 years by every Latin American Marxified piledriver, and quoting an old hack like Oliver Stone...you shouldn't be telling people to "emerge from cocoons." There is remarkable homogeneity of thought among the South American elites...and like I said in my posts they use this same "anticolonialist" "antiimperialist" garbage as cover for their own rapacity and corruption.

 

[polostar88]

Most of the people posting in these threads are tools. They really don't know anything about the subject AT ALL, NOTHING. So what to we hear from them ? Sound bites from Fox News. It is verbatim the same weak simplistic talking points that you hear on hannity et al. It's so half assed and mindless that it hardly makes any sense.

It's really laughable that people would repeat the drivel that comes from the mass market media in public, as if it was somehow intelligent analysis and didn't make them sounds like idiots.

I'm just glad the majority of Latin Americans see things the right way and vote accordingly. Who cares what illegal immigrants think.

You yourself haven't especially shown any special knowledge of South American politics. Other than making snide politically correct cliches that you can hear in every "progressive" circle-jerk lounge in the US what exactly do you know about the history of Argentina, etc.?

 

[AlexfromLA]

haha

you little troll, im not taking your ass seriously.

Post something of actual historical, political, economic or social value and relevance to Argentina and then someone might take you seriously. Problem is that would actually mean you would have to STUDY the facts, history and statistics of Latin America and not just talk out of your ass. I won't hold my breath.

Now go away.

 

[Lucas]

You're repeating the same tired lines used for the past 40 years by every Latin American Marxified piledriver, and quoting an old hack like Oliver Stone...you shouldn't be telling people to "emerge from cocoons." There is remarkable homogeneity of thought among the South American elites...and like I said in my posts they use this same "anticolonialist" "antiimperialist" garbage as cover for their own rapacity and corruption.

Or yes, whoever is fighting for they rights are obviously for you all Marxified piledrivers, or Reds or whatever TAG your masters decide to put in your mouth.

Easy way to dismiss all the induced corruption in the region by the superpowers is quick and easy to say "they are a bunch of corrupt people" and that is why they have so many problems to start with.

Well to have a group of corrupted people is needed another group to induce the rotting to all the fruit in the basket, and guest what?, in USA exist exactly that kind of people who are specialized in producing these results, hard to believe, isn't?, not wonder why there is so many corrupted people in this part of the world, money do the talk, and for some, it shouts...corroding everything and everyone it touches.

 

[polostar88]

Or yes, whoever is fighting for they rights are obviously for you all Marxified piledrivers, or Reds or whatever TAG your masters decide to put in your mouth.

Easy way to dismiss all the induced corruption in the region by the superpowers is quick and easy to say "they are a bunch of corrupt people" and that is why they have so many problems to start with.

Well to have a group of corrupted people is needed another group to induce the rotting to all the fruit in the basket, and guest what?, in USA exist exactly that kind of people who are specialized in producing these results, hard to believe, isn't?, not wonder why there is so many corrupted people in this part of the world, money do the talk, and for some, it shouts...corroding everything and everyone it touches.

You need to learn to speak proper English before you post on online English-speaking boards. It's very hard to understand what you're saying. As far as I can tell you're implying that Argentine corruption is somehow also the result of American machinations. How long does it take to incorporate in Argentina and what are the transaction costs (bribes, etc.) for starting something as simple as a restaurant? In Mozambique it takes an average of 180 days to incorporate. Is that because of George Bush? Are the taxes charged on EXPORTS by Argentina a result of American intrigues, or is it because your govt. is corrupt and retarded?

 

[Lucas]

Now that you do not have any solid arguments on the subject you start to attacking me personally and not only that but patronizing me as well with my writing, for what a I can tell by now is that you are some kind of tea party moron...

get a life pal.


Down ‘n Out

 

[AlexfromLA]

lol the sound bites in this thread are reaching epic proportions

now we got " marxified ", " piledrivers " " system flunkies " " rabble rousing idiots " " progressive circle jerks " " regime loyalists " and " Kirchner flunkies " etc.

Their facts and figures and command of the subject matter at hand are awe inspiring.

Now how stupid do you really have to be to be in a country a couple weeks and pretend you really know anything about what is going on.

Bottom line is, people on here are repeating what they read in the Clarin or saw on TV.

Their comments reflect their level of knowledge on the subject.

But hey, I am always into watching the town idiot type like he has Tourette syndrome.

 

[orwellian]

I can't believe I almost missed this thread. This is hilarious stuff.

I have yet to hear one person explain truthfully why and how Hugo Chavez came to power in the first place????. And why does he win time after time after time.
And yes he invites in Election monitors from all over the world.

I lived in Barcelona for a few years and I have met quite a few of these Venezuelan anti-Chavez people. I think they are one, if not the most, hateful group that I have ever encountered. Most of them would insert anti-Chavez joke, or just spontaneously mentioning him, and they would do it in pretty much any context.
And the Venezuelans that you meet in Europe or the States are middle class. For decades they have enjoyed the status quo in Venezuela so it's only natural that they react with fear when the poor Venezuelan people start voting socialist. Which is why these people don't want to discuss why he came to power or why he keeps winning every election; they don't want to admit this is a class issue and that they are not interested in any wealth distribution. That's why you'll hear them resorting to name calling or outright lies.

This is an opinion piece which seems just to reiterate some pretty tired and used many times arguments of the far left in favor of Chavez. It completely ignores the growing totalitarian nature of this regime.

And you completely ignore what totalitarian changes that are going on in your country gouchobob. Why so critical of Venezuela? Shouldn't you be more focused on defending the freedoms that are being taken away from you in your own country?

And by labeling him as totalitarian, you conveniently ignore the following facts from the article:

"Forget his success in slashing the Venezuelan poverty rate in half, tripling social spending, rapidly expanding healthcare and education, and fostering grassroots democracy and worker participation."

and

"In reality the Venezuelan president has won more free elections than any other world leader, the country's media are dominated by the US-funded opposition, and his government's problems with service delivery stem more from institutional weakness than authoritarianism."

So what makes him so totalitarian gouchobob?

I am not sure expats living in Argentina can really be the judge of what's going on in Venezuela or Brazil or wherever else. I think the only way to get to the truth of the matter is to actually go to those countries and find out first hand what is going on.

I disagree. You go to Venezuela and hang out with middle class people and you will think Chavez is a crazy dictator. Go to the favelas and you will probably think he truly represent change for the Venezuelan people.
And just going there isn't going to change much. What you need to do is read about the history of Venezuela.

I have a question. From what I understand of Venezuela's society they aren't really so focused on race, as we are in the US, but more focused on class. Of course, the white people are more likely to be middle/upper class, but I really think their problem is more with classism than racism. Though I could be wrong, this was the impression I was given. I have known a few dark skinned anti-Chavez Venezuelans that is why I ask.

The problem in the states is not due to race, it's due to class as well. I think the only difference is that whites are a minority in Venezuela. Some middle class people are dark though. And generally, if they can afford to travel and live in the U.S or Europe, they are middle class and most likely anti-Chavez.

 

[AlexfromLA]

Thanks Orwelian.

I personally think honest cogent thoughtful insights and opinions are mostly lost with the level of intellect you are dealing with here. But still, it's nice to read some from time to time.

Most people would rather repeat what they hear in the media than take the time to really study the facts.