Macri Opportunism: Wants To Enact Law To Protect Clarin

But JP, pro Ks arent the only ones that lived through the dictatorship in this country, though. They just use it as scare mongering and then call any oppostion golpistas, friends of the dictatorship etc etc. I agree its refreshing to hear both sides of the argument and especially when you get the historical perspective as well.

My girlfriends abuelos are extremely pro-K. Her Abuelo was a Jefe at the Talleres Ferroviarios in Tucuman (The old train work shop). During the dictactorship, him and many others were kicked out for being Peronistas. His brother was actively involved as a supporter so to speak, however her abuelo was simply a voter, nothing more. However, the rest of the family are all Anti K. So much so that at easter when he started telling me how Analysts were predicting the revival of the Argentine economy, the whole family bailed from the table, leaving me listening to the Pro-K point of view :eek:

But, what this government is doing not only in the present but to the future is very very dangerous. I know this is getting off topic, but here is an article (from La Nacion, not Clarin) which talks about the cost & lack of control of the Planes sociales the government has in place.
http://www.lanacion....planes-sociales

Now, I am all for social assistance to those in need. No doubt about it. But this vote buying, populist politics is ruining the future of the country. It has created and will continue to create a significant portion of the population that doesnt work, doesnt want to work, isnt accustomed to work and therefore are unproductive. This will continue to multiply. Imagine if a significant portion of that money was used on creating jobs, industry, giving these people work!

The majority of educated people in this country can see through this government. They know that Argentina has a poor history of politicians. But they can see that settling for the best of the worst (which this government isnt anyway), is not the way to advance and stop being un país, poco serio.
 
One more thing...The heading of this thread is also very misleading & deceptive. It implies that Macri is ONLY acting on behalf of Clarin when we know very well that it won't stop with Clarin. They will seek to shut down or take over La Nacion, Perfil, Urgente24, iProfessional, La Prensa, La Noticia1, etc etc. In other words, any news paper, media services or opposition group that does not agree to bow down to La Puta Reina de Mier will have their voices silenced.

AND SO THE SHOW WILL GO ON WITH THE CAMERAS TURNED OFF...MORE PUBLIC MONEY$ WILL BE STOLEN by BOUDOU, BAEZ , JAIME, DEVIDO, LA CAMPORA, MORENO & ALL THE OTHER KK CORRUPTS.

Pure evil & greed. Anyone who seeks to empower this Government is also helping to sow the seeds of future genocide.
Directly & and indirectly many thousands have died as a result of the 2001 financial meltdown.
When GREEDY CORRUPT power hungry OFFICIALS who use dubious means to stay 'popular' STEAL PUBLIC FUNDS then the people on the ground pay the cost with their blood.

I've seen the direct results of Corruption in this country. Every week, while not being dramatic news for the consumers there are dead bodies found by the side of railway lines due to overcrowding on the trains..workers die from more accidents. The road fatality count in this country is another grand killer, 20,000 plus per year. Money for the roadworks is stolen or mismanaged, there are NO public awareness campaigns to lower the death toll...hospitals don't have their adequate supplies of medicines & equipment, schools don't have enough learning materials/equipment, teachers & policemen are paid a pittance & neglected.... all public infrastructure is neglected..absolutely nothing is done well under this Corrupt CRIMINAL mafia called EL KIRCHNERISMO.

So, no planes have crashed yet, god forbid, touch wood with the Campora in control of the national airline it's not going to be long before something serious happens. I hope not.

Bottom line, when public money is STOLEN by corrupt officials more people die, suffer from accidents, malnutrition & hunger, kids don't go to school, homicide rates go up etc etc....so...WHEN IT COMES TO FREEDOM OF THE PRESS - IF CRISTINA'S GETS HER WAY (with the blessing of all the blind KK Fanatics) ......WE WON'T GET TO HEAR THE BAD NEWS ANY MORE...instead the KKs will have us all drugged stupid with 678 TV & MORONIC CADENAS NACIONALES for EVER & EVER.
 
Maybe I wasn't paying attention in class on Sunday night, but I'm sure Lanato was at pains to point out that a hastily voted 'add-on' to a law passed last December regarding company law would allow minority shareholders to overrule the majority, thus leaving a door open for a takeover.
The implication being that government storm-troopers (a la YPF/Repsol) could march into Grupo Clarin's head office as the replacement board of directors, led by our friend William Moreno.
Please correct me if I'm wrong and if this has already been covered here.
 
[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]"Anyone who seeks to empower this Government is also helping to sow the seeds of future genocide" [/background]

[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]Notebook, pal...this isn´t helping your argument. It´s lunacy ! [/background]
 
[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]"Anyone who seeks to empower this Government is also helping to sow the seeds of future genocide" [/background]

[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]Notebook, pal...this isn´t helping your argument. It´s lunacy ! [/background]
I agree with most of what you have commented so far, so I'll thank you for being frank. I dearly hope I'm wrong. Only time will tell.
 
I think both you two Argies use the word genocide a bit too hastily.

I believe that the term genocide did not exist until 1944 when Raphael Lemkin 'made it up' :

"Raphael Lemkin, in his work Axis Rule in Occupied Europe (1944), coined the term "genocide" by combining Greek genos (γένος; race, people) and Latin cīdere (to kill).[sup][4][/sup]
Lemkin defined genocide as follows: "Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups."


Griego, I may also gently point out and without any hidden or indirect sarcasm that the term 'Argie' is sometimes taken as derogatory in Argentina. I don't believe that this is in any way your intention so please don't take it that way. I see your point about the word genocide & yes it does sound extreme, I understand that the contemporary use of the term has been associated more with the physically destructive aspects of it but my use of the term though is based on a slightly differing interpretation of it. I put it out there so as to allow others to enlighten me on what their interpretation of the word genocide means to them. My use of the term is to illustrate the gradual destruction of the Argentine so called 'middle class' over the last 60 years and on into the future.
 
Maybe since Ralph Lemkin's time the word has drifted in it's original meaning as he defined it.
The press, aka the media is responsible for a great deal of word misuse and as a result maybe many of us have a picture of indiscriminate bloody massacre when we hear the word genocide.
 
"Raphael Lemkin, in his work Axis Rule in Occupied Europe (1944), coined the term "genocide" by combining Greek genos (γένος; race, people) and Latin cīdere (to kill).[sup][4][/sup]
Lemkin defined genocide as follows: "Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups."


Griego, I may also gently point out and without any hidden or indirect sarcasm that the term 'Argie' is sometimes taken as derogatory in Argentina. I don't believe that this is in any way your intention so please don't take it that way. I see your point about the word genocide & yes it does sound extreme, I understand that the contemporary use of the term has been associated more with the physically destructive aspects of it but my use of the term though is based on a slightly differing interpretation of it. I put it out there so as to allow others to enlighten me on what their interpretation of the word genocide means to them.
I am glad you're making such a profound theory out of the term ''Argie'' but I have been using it in an ironic way for years and I never run into a single problem. I use these kinds of words all the time. When I go to Peruvian friends here, upon entering their house I like shouting ''Que tal la negrada?'' and they usually counterattack with witty replies. However, words like ''genocide'' in political discussions are something I am way more careful with. When I look at that description of genocide, well, apart from what's left of the native people in a few areas, and like someone mentioned here, a few Jews during the dictatorship, there's no viable threat against any ethnical minority in Argentina. It's not just about you or IQ_Bajo_Cero, I often see similar political concepts randomly used by Argentines to describe problems que no tienen nada que ver.
 
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