Number of residents born in the USA

[Joglide]

Thank you I have been living here for 13 years and in that time the usa population is at least half what it was in 2010 . You mentioned that the population was the following .

1991 9,755
2001 10,552
2011 19,147
Do you have a link to confirm these figures?

Country of birth of Argentine residents

According to the National Institute of Statistics and Census of Argentina 1,805,957 of the Argentine resident population were born outside Argentina, representing 4.50% of the total Argentine resident population.

Years 2010, 2001, 1991

Paraguay 550,713 325,046 254,115

Bolivia 345,272 233,464 145,670

Chile 191,147 212,429 247,987

Peru 157,514 88,260 15,939

Italy 147,499 216,718 356,923

Uruguay 116,592 117,564 135,406

Spain 94,030 134,417 244,212

Venezuela 56,621 (2018[23]) N/D N/D

Brazil 41,330 34,712 33,910

United States 19,147 10,552 9,755

Colombia 17,576 3,876 2,638

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Argentina

 

[Joglide]

Country of birth of Argentine residents

According to the National Institute of Statistics and Census of Argentina 1,805,957 of the Argentine resident population were born outside Argentina, representing 4.50% of the total Argentine resident population.

Years 2010, 2001, 1991

Paraguay 550,713 325,046 254,115

Bolivia 345,272 233,464 145,670

Chile 191,147 212,429 247,987

Peru 157,514 88,260 15,939

Italy 147,499 216,718 356,923

Uruguay 116,592 117,564 135,406

Spain 94,030 134,417 244,212

Venezuela 56,621 (2018[23]) N/D N/D

Brazil 41,330 34,712 33,910

United States 19,147 10,552 9,755

Colombia 17,576 3,876 2,638

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Argentina

Your estimate is that the present USA originated population of Argentina would be no more than 9,600 but I know of no more recent enumeration and would again simply enquire as to your sources or source of impressions?

 

[perry]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Argentina


The figures you have presented seem to have discrepacies . These are from Wikipedia and show that there are close to 10 times as much Colombians as you stated in your figures of 17,576 for 2010 . Colombians are a huge expat population here and the official figures from 2010 were that there were 177.000 people . How did you come up with 17,576?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Argentina
The USA does not even appear on the top 16 as per this same list . I do not believe that there are close to 20.000 USA born people living in Argentina of non argentinian descent . All the expats I know have mentioned that the USA expats who moved here before 2010 most have returned . I would be very surprised that in the whole of Argentina there are more than 5,000 usa born citizens without argentinian parents living here full time . In Buenos Aires it would be at most 2000 people .



Rank (2010)Country of birth census
2010 census. 2001 census .1990 census
1

Paraguay 550,713 . 325,046. 254,115
2

Bolivia 345,272. 233,464. 145,670
3

Chile 191,147. 212,429. 247,987
4

Colombia 177,000. 50,250. 15,939
4

Peru 157,514.88,260.15,939
5

Italy 147,499. 216,718. 356,923
6

Uruguay 116,592.117,564.135,406
7

Spain 94,030 .134,417. 244,212
8

Brazil 41,330, 34,712, 33,966
9

China 8,929, 4,184, 2,297
10

Germany 8,416. 10,362.15,451
11

South Korea 7,321. 8,290. 8,371
12

France 6,995, 6,578, 6,309
13

Japan 4,036. 4,753. 5,674
14

Chinese Taipei 2,875, 3,511, 1,870
15

Syria 1,337 . 2,350. N/D
16

Lebanon 933. 1. 619. 3,171
Other countries 121,018.127,683. 150,849
TOTAL 1,805,957.1,531,940. 1,628,210

 

[Joglide]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Argentina


The figures you have presented seem to have discrepacies . These are from Wikipedia and show that there are close to 10 times as much Colombians as you stated in your figures of 17,576 for 2010 . Colombians are a huge expat population here and the official figures from 2010 were that there were 177.000 people . How did you come up with 17,576?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Argentina
The USA does not even appear on the top 16 as per this same list . I do not believe that there are close to 20.000 USA born people living in Argentina of non argentinian descent . All the expats I know have mentioned that the USA expats who moved here before 2010 most have returned . I would be very suprised that in the whole of Argentina there are more than 5,000 usa born citizens without argentinian parents living here full time . In Buenos Aires it would be at most 2000 people .



Rank (2010)Country of birth census
2010 census. 2001 census .1990 census
1

Paraguay 550,713 . 325,046. 254,115
2

Bolivia 345,272. 233,464. 145,670
3

Chile 191,147. 212,429. 247,987
4

Colombia 177,000. 50,250. 15,939
4

Peru 157,514.88,260.15,939
5

Italy 147,499. 216,718. 356,923
6

Uruguay 116,592.117,564.135,406
7

Spain 94,030 .134,417. 244,212
8

Brazil 41,330, 34,712, 33,966
9

China 8,929, 4,184, 2,297
10

Germany 8,416. 10,362.15,451
11

South Korea 7,321. 8,290. 8,371
12

France 6,995, 6,578, 6,309
13

Japan 4,036. 4,753. 5,674
14

Chinese Taipei 2,875, 3,511, 1,870
15

Syria 1,337 . 2,350. N/D
16

Lebanon 933. 1. 619. 3,171
Other countries 121,018.127,683. 150,849
TOTAL 1,805,957.1,531,940. 1,628,210

I am not sure what your point is or where your issue

 

[Joglide]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Argentina


The figures you have presented seem to have discrepacies . These are from Wikipedia and show that there are close to 10 times as much Colombians as you stated in your figures of 17,576 for 2010 . Colombians are a huge expat population here and the official figures from 2010 were that there were 177.000 people . How did you come up with 17,576?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Argentina
The USA does not even appear on the top 16 as per this same list . I do not believe that there are close to 20.000 USA born people living in Argentina of non argentinian descent . All the expats I know have mentioned that the USA expats who moved here before 2010 most have returned . I would be very suprised that in the whole of Argentina there are more than 5,000 usa born citizens without argentinian parents living here full time . In Buenos Aires it would be at most 2000 people .



Rank (2010)Country of birth census
2010 census. 2001 census .1990 census
1

Paraguay 550,713 . 325,046. 254,115
2

Bolivia 345,272. 233,464. 145,670
3

Chile 191,147. 212,429. 247,987
4

Colombia 177,000. 50,250. 15,939
4

Peru 157,514.88,260.15,939
5

Italy 147,499. 216,718. 356,923
6

Uruguay 116,592.117,564.135,406
7

Spain 94,030 .134,417. 244,212
8

Brazil 41,330, 34,712, 33,966
9

China 8,929, 4,184, 2,297
10

Germany 8,416. 10,362.15,451
11

South Korea 7,321. 8,290. 8,371
12

France 6,995, 6,578, 6,309
13

Japan 4,036. 4,753. 5,674
14

Chinese Taipei 2,875, 3,511, 1,870
15

Syria 1,337 . 2,350. N/D
16

Lebanon 933. 1. 619. 3,171
Other countries 121,018.127,683. 150,849
TOTAL 1,805,957.1,531,940. 1,628,210

The figures I presented are for immigration and you have the source. They are not my figures but from the website that I provided. You seem to have an issue with the veracity of the figures for USA immigrants but you offer only a statement that you do not believe the immigration figures which the Wiki site for immigration provided. If you have any evidence that these figures are incorrect then fine but so far you make a series of claims about the size of USA immigration and their origins without any citation of empirical evidence. So unless I find evidence otherwise I have no reason to disbelieve the figures I presented and which are now clearly sourced and which you claim to see discrepancies. If you have any cited evidence to the contrary then please post. As to the point about who were parents, I and they would probably regard themselves as American if they were born in the USA of Argentinian or Colombian or whatever parents. Even so there is no figure I see that shows the proportions who were of Argentinian parentage and (again I say) no clear evidence of what has happened since 2010. I remain sceptical about your claim that the numbers of USA born immigrants have fallen dramatically in the last few years, but I may be wrong and stand to be corrected by the data.

The original point if you recall is whether USA born people were here in more significant numbers more than 10 years ago and have now left.

 

[steveinbsas]

I'm not sure if anyone really cares about the discrepancy, but both Perry and Joeglide have provided statistics from the Wiki site regarding the number of foreign born immigrants living in Argentina.

Here's Joeglide's post:

Country of birth of Argentine residents

According to the National Institute of Statistics and Census of Argentina 1,805,957 of the Argentine resident population were born outside Argentina, representing 4.50% of the total Argentine resident population.

Years 2010, 2001, 1991

Paraguay 550,713 325,046 254,115

Bolivia 345,272 233,464 145,670

Chile 191,147 212,429 247,987

Peru 157,514 88,260 15,939

Italy 147,499 216,718 356,923

Uruguay 116,592 117,564 135,406

Spain 94,030 134,417 244,212

Venezuela 56,621 (2018[23]) N/D N/D

Brazil 41,330 34,712 33,910

United States 19,147 10,552 9,755

Colombia 17,576 3,876 2,638

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Argentina

Continued in the next post:

 

[steveinbsas]

And here's Perry's reply:
Demographics of Argentina
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Argentina

The figures you have presented seem to have discrepacies . These are from Wikipedia and show that there are close to 10 times as much Colombians as you stated in your figures of 17,576 for 2010 . Colombians are a huge expat population here and the official figures from 2010 were that there were 177.000 people . How did you come up with 17,576?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Argentina
The USA does not even appear on the top 16 as per this same list . I do not believe that there are close to 20.000 USA born people living in Argentina of non argentinian descent . All the expats I know have mentioned that the USA expats who moved here before 2010 most have returned . I would be very surprised that in the whole of Argentina there are more than 5,000 usa born citizens without argentinian parents living here full time . In Buenos Aires it would be at most 2000 people .

"According to the INDEC 1,531,940 of the Argentine resident population in 2001 were born outside Argentina, representing 4.22% of the total Argentine resident population. In 2010, 1,805,957 of the Argentine resident population were born outside Argentina, representing 4.50% of the total Argentine resident population. (I added this paragraph)
Rank (2010)Country of birth census
2010 census. 2001 census .1990 census
1

Paraguay 550,713 . 325,046. 254,115
2

Bolivia 345,272. 233,464. 145,670
3

Chile 191,147. 212,429. 247,987
4

Colombia 177,000. 50,250. 15,939
4

Peru 157,514.88,260.15,939
5

Italy 147,499. 216,718. 356,923
6

Uruguay 116,592.117,564.135,406
7

Spain 94,030 .134,417. 244,212
8

Brazil 41,330, 34,712, 33,966
9

China 8,929, 4,184, 2,297
10

Germany 8,416. 10,362.15,451
11

South Korea 7,321. 8,290. 8,371
12

France 6,995, 6,578, 6,309
13

Japan 4,036. 4,753. 5,674
14

Chinese Taipei 2,875, 3,511, 1,870
15

Syria 1,337 . 2,350. N/D
16

Lebanon 933. 1. 619. 3,171
Other countries 121,018.127,683. 150,849
TOTAL 1,805,957.1,531,940. 1,628,210

If nothing else, the discrepancies provide a great reason not to believe everything you read on the Wikipedia website.It is impossible for both sets of statistics to be accurate or even close to the "real" numbers.

The numbers in the second table seem more realistic to me. The idea that there were less than 18,000 Colombians living in Argentina in 2010 is (IMO) simply preposterous, but I am even more surprised that, in the first table, the number of Americans living in Argentina was claimed to be just over 19,000 and in the second table the number of Americans living in Argentina was (apparently) less than 1,000.

The original point...is whether USA born people were here in more significant numbers more than 10 years ago and have now left.

Just using this forum as a microcosm of the number of USA born people living in Argentina, I'd say there were significantly more ten years ago.

Five or six years ago there were often thirty to forty member on line at the same time. Nowadays, there are seldom more than four or five.

I know that's not a scientific study, but it appears to me that there are fewer questions about immigration and now than ever, and, since the topic was introduced in 2010, questions about Argentine citizenship for foreigners may have reached an all time low in the past year and a half, in spite of the chaos created by the DNU 70/2017.

As getting permanent residency based on marriage or fathering a child is no longer automatic, the only routes that (at least for the moment) that appears to remain open for that is on the third renewal of the visa rentista or pensionado (and still perhaps "mandatory on the fourth renewal) as well as the second or third renewal of a work visa.

I think it's safe to say that the number of USA born people living in Argentina has been declining since 2010 and will continue to do so in the next few years.

If there were (actually) 1000 USA born people living in Argentina in 2010 that number is probably half that now and I find it hard to believe a table that says there were over 19,000 USA born people living in Argentina in 2010 and that the number of Colombians living here at the same time was less than that.

Based on the title of this thread, as well as Perry's posts about the massive decline in real estate sales in the past year, I seriously doubt there are many USA born people who are even considering buying property in Argentina at this time, let alone seriously considering moving here. The real estate vultures arr no doubt waiting for easier prey

In spite of the (at least for now) most favorable exchange rate in a number of years, it's easy to imagine that more than a few of them are considering leaving. Except for those who are here to be with an Argentine family, the rest (IMO) are here to schmooze with other expats over coffee at Starbucks, and recent posts have indicated there are usually less than ten expats in attendance.

 

[Joglide]

And here's Perry's reply:
Demographics of Argentina
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



If nothing else, the discrepancies provide a great reason no to believe everything you read on the Wikipedia website.It is impossible for both sets of statistics to be accurate or even close to the "real"numbers.

The numbers in the second table seem more realistic to me. The idea that there were less than 18,000 Colombians living in Argentina in 2010 is (IMO) simply preposterous, but I am even more surprised that, in the first table, the number of Americans living in Argentina was claimed to be just over 19,000 and in the second table the number of Americans living in Argentina was (apparently) less than 1,000.



Just using this forum as a microcosm of the number of USA born people living in Argentina, I'd say there were significantly more ten years ago.

Five or six years ago there were often thirty to forty member on line at the same time. Nowadays, there are seldom more than four or five.

I know that's not a scientific study, but it appears to me that there are fewer questions about immigration and now than ever, and, since the topic was introduced in 2010, questions about Argentine citizenship for foreigners may have reached an all time low in the past year and a half, in spite of the chaos created by the DNU 70/2017.

As getting permanent residency based on marriage or fathering a child is no longer automatic, the only route that (at least for the moment) that appears to remain open for that is on the third renewal of the visa rentista or pensionado (and still perhaps "mandatory on the fourth renewal)

Based on the title of this tread, as well as Perry's posts about the massive decline in real estate sales in the past year, I think it's safe to say that the number of USA born people living in Argentina has been declining since 2010 and will continue to do so in the next few years.

If there were (actually) 1000 USA born people living in Argentina in 2010 that number is probably half that now and I find it hard to beleive a table that says there were over 19,000 USA born people living in Argentina in 2010 and that the number of Colombians living here at the same time was less than that.

You may or may not be correct about discrepancies as they are from slightly different sites but the immigration figures claim to be from the official statistical source for population believe that or not. The discrepancies on Columbians is a secondary issue and does not affect the main point whether it is accurate or grossly inaccurate. As to the other evidence about decline of USA citizens since 2010 this is not worth discussing in any depth further since no one seems to have accurate data and circumstantial evidence about postings to this site or supposed real estate patterns give very little (in my view) hard tangible evidence comparable to population data. The main claims by Perry and now you that there were nowhere near 20k USA born people living in all Argentina in 2010 remains simply that, a claim, and I see no powerful reason to reject the evidence you and Perry discount. Nor would I reach the same conclusion on the major decline since 2010 until I see evidence of some compelling kind. So let us agree to disagree until we get robust data about the last decade? A useful airing of the issues in my view and one which at least points to the limits of what we can know.

 

[Joglide]

You may or may not be correct about discrepancies as they are from slightly different sites but the immigration figures claim to be from the official statistical source for population believe that or not. The discrepancies on Columbians is a secondary issue and does not affect the main point whether it is accurate or grossly inaccurate. As to the other evidence about decline of USA citizens since 2010 this is not worth discussing in any depth further since no one seems to have accurate data and circumstantial evidence about postings to this site or supposed real estate patterns give very little (in my view) hard tangible evidence comparable to population data. The main claims by Perry and now you that there were nowhere near 20k USA born people living in all Argentina in 2010 remains simply that, a claim, and I see no powerful reason to reject the evidence you and Perry discount. Nor would I reach the same conclusion on the major decline since 2010 until I see evidence of some compelling kind. So let us agree to disagree until we get robust data about the last decade? A useful airing of the issues in my view and one which at least points to the limits of what we can know.

ps I might add that Perry uses the Wiki sources I have cited in my postings and underlines that there are some variations in the data.

 

[mmoon]

In my experience, there are three types of expats.

Cheap Slackers- they migrate around the world finding places where they can do the least for the least cost. Over the years, they have ended up in many strange places- my dad was one, in Paris, in the early 50s- I knew people in the Lower East Side in the 70s who squatted and lived on a hundred bucks a month. Saw em in Bali in the early 80s, Prague in the late 90s, In Berlin at various time, in Morocco, or Costa Rica, Sayulita, Southern Thailand, Goa, Portugal, and, in the late 2000s, a lot in Buenos Aires.
But they never put down roots, and seldom buy.
They blow away when prices go up, to the next cheap place.
In 2008, there were tons of em.
Very few now.

LoveBirds- they meet somebody, and follow them home. They are never quite sure where they end up, or whether they like it. In Argentina, they often end up in out of the way suburbs where in-laws live, or in small towns in the Provincia.
They tend to be the big complainers here, as their main reason for being here is significant other and /or children.
They sometimes buy, sometimes rent, and are more at the mercy of the economy than some.
There is a steady flow of these- Love springs eternal. Most are not in the position to just pull up roots and leave, they are stuck riding out the economy, due to kids, in-laws, and family ties, visa issues, and so on.

Intentional Arrivals- I know a fair amount of these- they came here, after, usually, having travelled around the world for decades, because they chose it. The ones I know are split between full time and yo-yos who come for part of the year. It was usually a considered financial decision to buy here, and they can often afford to ride out moderate economic bumps. Thats the category I am in, hence I am not that worried about the economy- I own my apartment outright, and, compared to where I live in the states, its pretty cheap to maintain. But I make my money elsewhere, and so, people in my category are much less susceptible to disaster from the whims of the argentine economy. Most of the ones I know do not participate in forums like this, and are quite happy when here in Argentina. And not in any hurry to sell.

Each of these three categories has different issues with the economy, and the real estate market.

I’ve already liked your comment, but I still want to reply and say, very well said. You hit the nail on the head. I’m thankful to be in the third group now as well. We’ve been in and out of Argentina since 2001, living full time or part time, owning property, and having business and personal ties to the country. I remember BA being the red hot expat destination, and that brought a whole different list of expat issues to this site (“Where can I take my visiting parents for an amazing, cheap steak, at a local restaurant with a view and not get ripped off by a motochorro?”). It does seem like the die hard lovers of the country and those who are tied here by family are the main ones who remain here full time.


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