Occupy Wallstreet... and Bs As?

[JWB]

actually, this thread has generated so much vileness that i am glad that in all the years of living (part time) in BA i never went to any expat get-togethers. i'll keep it that way.

Why is it that a liberal always plays victim when called out on their lies but will attack a conservative and rip out their throat if even a HINT of a lie is present?

You should go...the majority think like you.

 

[notebook.fix]

I wonder, the term 'liberal' is so liberally used by some who claim to be conservatives...but when we do the sums...the present US republican candidates are nothing more than bought mouth pieces for big MOney...nothing to do with traditional conservatives.

Ron Paul, now that's a true conservative.

 

[Lucas]

Wall Street Mocks Protesters By Drinking Champagne 2011

55 Wall Street, Cipriani Club, Newspaper Ambito Financiero

55 Wall Street, Cipriani Club, Newspaper Buenos Aires Herald

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[anabeeare]

http://www.meetup.com/occupytogether/Buenos-Aires-AR/386142/?a=bn6_l1

Things are getting a touch warm here in Bs As.

With a lot of luck, I will not graduate college with debt but I know I will be struggling to find a job in general (despite graduating with three degrees and a possibly a masters in 5 years). For me, the bankers did not really do terribly much other than pay for my vote in the presidential elections more or less. I do agree that they (Wall Street) should not be involved in financing anything related to the elections.

My main beef with the US (in general) is our problem with the public university education system and why we are paying skyrocketing tuition costs for what can now (with some exceptions, of course) be considered a shadow of a decent university education of the past. I am for the idea that public state university education should be free or at least further subsidized like the Canadian system. However, that push on further subsidizing the education would def. come with a tax increase, so... kind of defeats the purpose of what many of those protesters are complaining about, doesn't it?

 

[JWB]

Thought it was appropriate to point out that there have been over 1000 arrests at the Occupy Wallstreet staged "peaceful" protests.

Compare that to ALL of the Tea Party events in the last 3 years...ALL of them. Not one arrest. Zero. Zip. Nada. And yet, the Tea Party are called the revolutionists, terrorists, blah blah blah blah.

EDIT: my bad, there were a few arrests at some Tea Party events, they were all counter protesters.

 

[JWB]

I wonder, the term 'liberal' is so liberally used by some who claim to be conservatives...but when we do the sums...the present US republican candidates are nothing more than bought mouth pieces for big MOney...nothing to do with traditional conservatives.

Ron Paul, now that's a true conservative.

Ok, how about we use "progressive" which makes me laugh as there is nothing "progressive" about the supposed movement. Progress means moving forward, growth, creation. The "progressives" want to stifle growth, stifle creation and creativity, and throw the country backwards.

And yes, while there are many establishment GOP members that fall into the progressive fold, there are many new ones that don't and many more coming (including the next President).

I like Paul but I would hardly call him conservative.

 

[captainmcd]

This has been an interesting thread and a lively discussion. I see both sides of the issue and can relate in some degree to both. It seems both the protesters and the tea party have a problem in that they can not really agree on a solution.

One thing is clear to me, the problem seems to be that big government and big business have been in a partnership that does not work well. The politicians ask for more power, and as their power increases they fall victim to power brokers and lobbyists who ask for, and are given special favors for their clients. This limits competition in the market, and is not capitalism.

The protesters have a right to complain, but I do not agree with their solutions, which require more government control and more unfairness. Who will be the people in power who will re-distribute the weallth? There will always be those in power who control the system, whatever it is, and they will be wealthy.

 

[steveinbsas]

actually, this thread has generated so much vileness that i am glad that in all the years of living (part time) in BA i never went to any expat get-togethers. i'll keep it that way.

That's truly unfortunate. When I lived in CF I organized a number of expat lunches. There was never a raised voice or a word spoken in anger.

I even had the chance to chat pleasantly with a couple of members with whom I had sparred in the forum.

 

[PhilipDT]

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/mone...cupy-wall-street-protesters-make-list-demands

I just wanted to pull this quote from the conclusion of the oped piece that JWB posted.

It's clear, articulate, and pretty well sums up my feelings about the wall street protests.

So there you have it.

Like almost any list of demands, there is good and bad here. Two common themes animate the list. One is that the writer clearly hasn’t studied economics. Free trade promotes wealth and peace, and has almost zero net effect on employment in the long-run. High minimum wages price the lowest-skilled employees out of work, and hurt them. There is no free lunch. Nobody will lend money if they aren’t going to be paid back.
None of those statements are controversial inside the profession, only out of it. Regardless of one’s political leanings.

The second theme is entitlement. Other people should pay for my health care. Other people should pay for my college education. I shouldn’t have to pay back my credit card balance. In short, gimme. How millennial.

The tea party movement’s uninformed populism is embarrassing to many on the right. No wonder Brendan O’Neill, seeing the same phenomenon on the left, wrote in The Telegraph that “The teenage moralism of the Occupy Wall Street hipsters almost makes me ashamed to be Left-wing.”

 

[Matt84]

El que no llora no mama.

y el que no afana es un gil?

well it seems that occupywallstreet "stands in solidarity" with moveon which as you may recall is a very partisan group of the current administration.
from drudge, from http://www.infowars.com/occupy-wall-street-stands-in-solidarity-with-obama-front-group/

maybe some or even the bulk of the protesters thought they were rejecting the two party booby trap, but that doesn't prevent the organizers to use them for their own partisan purposes. This all seems to be a more successful version of the coffee party.

perhaps the current admin is learning from other world leaders how to garnish the power of humans in groups blocking roads and being a general disturbance as a means to perpetuate power.

"burn one car and it's a crime. burn a thousand cars and it's a political statement" - either Baader or Meinhof