PAMI for permanant resident?

[steveinbsas]

Very true if you have the dough for citizenship lawyers. However even 10 years is on the outside for me..

If you have residency with a DNI no lawyer is required to become a citizen and the process is almost free.

If I understand correctly, anyone with permanent rsdidency can apply for citizenship at about the nine year mark and (perhaps) then qualify for the benefits after the end of their tenth year of residency (as a citizen).

 

[Rich One]

Here are the requirements copied directly from (and translated by translate.google) from the web page for PAMI:

Tener 65 años o más.
Ser argentino o naturalizado con 10 años de residencia en el país (anteriores a la solicitud), o extranjero con una residencia mínima de 20 años.
No cobrar ni tener derecho a ninguna jubilación o pensión de un organismo nacional o de cajas o institutos provinciales o municipales, ni seguro de desempleo. Si estás cobrando una jubilación o pensión, debés renunciar a la misma para iniciar el trámite de la Pensión Universal para el Adulto Mayor.
Mantener la residencia en el país una vez solicitada la pensión.

Be 65 or older
Being Argentine or naturalized with 10 years of residence in the country (prior to the application), or foreigner with a minimum residence of 20 years.
Not charge (paid) or be entitled to any pension or pension of a national agency or provincial or municipal funds or institutes, or unemployment insurance. If you are receiving a retirement or pension, you must renounce it to start processing the Universal Pension for the Elderly.
Maintain residence in the country once the pension is requested.

It's interesting that the requirements seem to be somewhat contradictory (and a good reason for the man with no name to make his comment):

In one sentence it says "not charged (paid) or be entitled to any pension..." and in the next sentence it says " If you are receiving a retirement or pension, you must renounce it ..."

Of course no one in their right mind would renounce a foreign pension of any kind if they were receiving more than the equivalent of $8K ARS per month, even if they met all of the other requirements.

If you have residency with a DNI no lawyer is required to become a citizen and the process is almost free.

If I understand correctly, anyone with permanent rsdidency can apply for citizenship at about the nine year mark and (perhaps) then qualify for the benefits after the end of their tenth year of residency (as a citizen).

Good to hear that no lawyer is needed and its free ?? I hear around here the amounts charged by some prestigious local law firms for the Citizenship process (in a reasonable time) . Perhaps Bajo can comment on this.

 

[steveinbsas]

Good to hear that no lawyer is needed and its free ?? I hear around here the amounts charged by some prestigious local law firms for the Citizenship process (in a reasonable time) .

If you have a DNI and two years of residency you can apply for citizenship and the only costs that I know of are paying for the notice in the local newspaper and (possibly) paying for an FBI report if asked for one.

Perhaps Bajo can comment on this.

He already has, a number of times, indicating that if you have a DNI, you don't need a lawyer to apply for citizenship.

One of them was made on May 9 of this year in this thread:

Where to apply for residency?

I will be coming to Argentina with my Argentinian wife to live for the forseeable future. I can come to Argentina for 90 days without a visa. Should I apply for permanent residence at the Argentina consulate in my country? Or should I just apply for citizenship / permanent residence in Argentina...

baexpats.org

In post three Bajo wrote:

"Apply for legal residency here if you fit a visa category. For citizenship it can be requested in 2 different ways: with or without legal residency, with or without the 2 years. With legal residency and more than 2 years you can do it your self for free. Without legal residency and the 2 years you need a lawyer."

PS: Look who actually thanked him for this post.

 

[chris]

Foreigners with permanent residency may qualify for retirement from ANSES and PAMI benefits after 20 years in Argentina.

The Argentine Medicare System



PS: If you already have nine years of permanent residency and wish to enroll in PAMI in about a year, I suggest you consider initiating the process to become a naturalized Argentine citizen.

PS2 : I suggest you read the entire thread as differing opinions and viewpoints follow the post I quoted.

PS3: If you have been a permanent resident in CABA for three years you may be able to enroll in a free health care plan immediately and not bother with PAMI.

What free health care plan?

 

[steveinbsas]

What free health care plan?

Not sure if this plan is ongoing, but here is the original thread about it

https://baexpats.org/threads/free-health-coverage-for-all-in-the-city-of-buenos-aires.33086/

The public hospitals are open to everyone and many are not charged for the services they receive.

Those who are occasionally asked to pay for a service like an ultrasound, mamagram, or a blood test, don't pay very much (based on my own experience at the public hospital in Punta Alta).

I never have to pay to see a doctor and I was not asked to pay anything for the three minor surgeries I had in the past ten years or the colonoscopy.

I do have to pay for all of my prescription drugs at a pharmacy while others with lower incomse receive them without charge at the hospital.

 

[nikad]

Not sure if this plan is ongoing, but here is the original thread about it

https://baexpats.org/threads/free-health-coverage-for-all-in-the-city-of-buenos-aires.33086/

The public hospitals are open to everyone and many are not charged for the services they receive.

Those who are occasionally asked to pay for a service like an ultrasound, mamagram, or a blood test, don't pay very much (based on my own experience at the public hospital in Punta Alta).

I never have to pay to see a doctor and I was not asked to pay anything for the three minor surgeries I had in the past ten years or the colonoscopy.

I do have to pay for all of my prescription drugs at a pharmacy while others with lower incomse receive them without charge at the hospital.

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[Rich One]

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[chris]

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Thanks. So all you need is a Permanent DNI? Is the inscription process that easy? And what services exactly does this give you? Do you have access to specialists?

 

[Rich One]

Thanks. So all you need is a Permanent DNI? Is the inscription process that easy? And what services exactly does this give you? Do you have access to specialists?

You need to find out what hospital corresponds to your zip code, then go to the hospital main counter, to start the inscription with your DNI and a utility bill on your name or proof of residence from the Police station.
Once you are registered, with an ID card you call 137 to obtain a turno with a GP .. "Médico Clínico" All in Spanish. Or in person at the hospital reception counter, there may be a long wait.
Then the GP will see you and give you a free medicine prescription, if needed, for one month or more. If required will give you a referral to an in house specialist.
It covers dental care as well.

 

[chris]

You need to find out what hospital corresponds to your zip code, then go to the hospital main counter, to start the inscription with your DNI and a utility bill on your name or proof of residence from the Police station.
Once you are registered, with an ID card you call 137 to obtain a turno with a GP .. "Médico Clínico" All in Spanish. Or in person at the hospital reception counter, there may be a long wait.
Then the GP will see you and give you a free medicine prescription, if needed, for one month or more. If required will give you a referral to an in house specialist.
It covers dental care as well.

The hospital MUST be in / close to your post code?