re-post argentina v chile...play nice please

#1
As this thread descended into name calling and childishness last time, it got locked...anyway, i'm reposting as it might be of interest to some. if anyone has any questions about anything then reply here or send me a note...Well, I’ve got a bit of time on my hands now so in answer to BBW’s question of what Chile is like…

Firstly,
Santiago is not Buenos Aires. It lacks all of the charm and cultural
life. Chileans do not care much for their architectural heritage and
there’s little left of the French style buildings that used to be
common all over the city. They have a tendency to value new over old. I
like to think of them as yuppies who like all new shiny things over
preservation. Old buildings are torn down all the time in the name of
progress. I guess it’s a sign of the country’s economic success but
it’s not one I appreciate. From a purely architectural point of view,
it’s a probably a good thing for Buenos aires that argentina hasn’t had
a recent run of sustained economic success as I suspect much more of
the city’s architectural gems would have been pulled down in order to
build these lovely tower blocks we see popping up every day.

Anyway,
Santiago has little to recommend itself; nightlife is average and
there’s a major lack of bookshops, theatres and other cultural life.
It’s a business city and is more north American that European-big
shopping malls accessible pretty much only by car, lots of big 4x4
clogging up the streets. And the smog…worse than anywhere I’ve been in
my life. In winter, you can actually taste the air.

Santiaguinos
also lack all the charm and courteousness of Portenos. You’ll never
walk out of a shop with a smile on your face after being charmed by the
shop keeper in chile. A cursory ‘buen dia’ is the best you could ask
for. I love the convoluted manner of argentine Spanish, so over the
top: “Jovencito, buenos dias. Serias tan amable de decirme la hora por
favor.” Or ‘Buen dia, en que te puedo ayudar?’, a polite and courteous
form of Spanish you’ simply won’t hear in chile (nor anywhere else in
latin America for that matter). Santiaguinos are also rude and
aggressive and walking down the street is a battle.

It is, on
the other hand, a remarkable city for its cleanliness and modernity and
a testament to chile’s economic success. How many other cities in the
world would be able to build a spanking new Metro line and huge
underground ring-road in not much more than 2 years? In Buenos Aires
it’d take 10 years. In London 20.

Despite what I’ve said, I
like santiago more than I did 3 years ago when all of the negatives
I’ve described were much much worse. The attitude of Chileans has
changed considerably; they’re no longer quite as rude or aggressive and
I think they’re becoming more accustomed to their wealth. Less
nouveau-riche in their attitudes. Also, 3 years ago food in chile was
quite revolting (except sea-food). Now the international cuisine is of
a far higher quality than you’ll find pretty much anywhere in
argentina. Chileans are more structured; if they cook French food they
cook French food-they don’t cook French food with the chef’s ‘toque
personal’ as so often happens here to ruin the meal. Eating out also
used to be much more expensive in chile but now it’s no more than in
Buenos aires (due to inflation here). Red-meat is bloody awful in chile
though.

Out of Santiago, the country is different. The people
are friendlier and chile is a beautiful country. The lake district is
simply stunning, Chilean Patagonia is (from what I’ve been told by
foreign travellers- I’ve never been) is better than argentine
Patagonia, the desert in the north is amazing (as far as a desert can
be amazing) and Valparaiso-where we’re moving to-is one of the world’s
most unique and incredible cities.

Chile is also much more
business friendly, it has an open and very stable economy, it’s far
easier to get residency, there’s very little corruption, you can earn
money that is worth something in the outside world and the police are
unbribable, friendly, helpful, wear cool green uniforms and ride dirt
bikes.

Also, the basic things that we take for granted in the
‘1st world’ like an efficient postal system, buying things online,
being able to organise a phone line without having to wait weeks,
consumer law etc and the aforementioned lack of corruption and
trustworthy police are things that don’t exist in argentina

At
this point in time, chile suits me more than argentina. And having a
Chilean girlfriend obviously helps a lot with many aspects of life over
there. I’m not leaving sticking 2 fingers up at the country by any
means. I’ve really enjoyed my time here and will continue to come back
and visit whenever I can.

If I were a city man, had a pension or
had a foreign currency salary and had to choose between Santiago and
Buenos aires (or Santiago and any other city in argentina) I would
always choose argentina. It’s more fun, it’s currently cheaper, it
offers so much more culturally, the people (on the surface) are
friendlier and easier to get to know, the city is far more attractive
and the buzz and energy of Buenos aires is something you will find
nowhere else in the world.

Like any place, chile has its pros
and cons. Argentina also has its pros and cons. For most expats and
people reading this forum, I’d say that argentina has more pros than
chile. There are plenty of things to sla g off in chile and any
determined expat could find them. I’m sure these expat forums over
there are full of threads banging on about Chilean surliness or
bureaucracy blah blah blah. I think people just need to find their
place and be happy…
 
M

maskow

Guest
#2
Excellent post...this time and last.I don't know much about Santiago but have always been a bit curious. You obviously know both cites well and I appreciated you comparison.I've recommended your analysis to several friends!Thanks,
Mike
 
#3
Chile is no good country and have no friends in south america. Always try to take land from other country Bolivia peru argentina dont like chilean as they are want more land from them,. Chilean are very resentidos towards argentina because we have the best land and culture of south america.
 
#5
"tanghetto" said:
Chile is no good country and have no friends in south america. Always try to take land from other country Bolivia peru argentina dont like chilean as they are want more land from them,. Chilean are very resentidos towards argentina because we have the best land and culture of south america.
That is an interesting point of view but it sorta sounds like racism really, is this maybe sort of like with the USA, people dislike the US government but they love Americans? And sorta like with Argentina, Argentinians love Argentina but they hate their government?
 
#6
"tanghetto" said:
Chile is no good country and have no friends in south america. Always try to take land from other country Bolivia peru argentina dont like chilean as they are want more land from them,. Chilean are very resentidos towards argentina because we have the best land and culture of south america.
It sound like you're a little bitter and twisted, maybe you are resentful about Chile helping the British refuel their planes on Chilean soil during the Falkland conflict, or is it the little handbags they had over some little islands in the Beagle Strait. Or maybe you are just jelous because a Chilean nicked your 'Pampita'.
 
#7
It sound like you're a little bitter and twisted, maybe you are resentful about Chile helping the British refuel their planes on Chilean soil during the Falkland conflict, or is it the little handbags they had over some little islands in the Beagle Strait. Or maybe you are just jelous because a Chilean nicked your 'Pampita'.
I do not care for chile or chile people . Go to bariloche or mendoza and see how chilean act . They come here with big car show off no culture at all . You think because your money is better that you are kings is a joke no.
Argentinians 90 percent think like me and we do not trust a country who always support others against us . Why is Chile like that even poor Bolivia you took only coast from them in Arica.
Chile tries to be seperate from its neighbours and only follows usa lead .
 
#8
I'm english, my girlfriend is chilean...a good couple for argentina, eh? In over 2 years of living here and having travelled all over the country, we've only encountered one Argentine with your (Tanghetto) attitude and views, and he was an unreconstructed fascist.
 

malbec

Active Member
#9
I think Chile should be an example for most LatinAmerican countries.
They've been working hard and seriously...and as an argentinian I can
only dream of the low corruption level Chile has. Chantas, vivos y
otras alimañas are far fewer in Chile than in Argentina *sigh*The
dictatorships in Chile and Argentina did everything to go to war...and
they were almost sucessfull in 1978. Only a storm and later an envoy of
the Pope stopped an argentine attack in the South. That would have been
a shame (another one on the long list of our milicos).

There is still a rivalry between Argentina and Chile, but I
think -with few exceptions like the one posting above - it is quite a
good one. Fútbol, etc. This rivalry heats up the more one travels to
the West in Argentina.
 

nikad

Registered
#10
If Argentina was able to do what Chile did in economical terms, and developed an industry similar to what Brazil has, it would be perfect ( I would keep the people just like it is, because that is what makes us unique ) Chile, Argentina and Brazil are like brothers: always arguing, I don't think either country hates the other.