The Best Reason Now To Be An Expat In Argentina...

[steveinbsas]

As a passive right, yes. No one can deny or prevent you from seeking care.
As an active right, no. No one should be forced or required to pay for your healthcare.

The US Constitution and the Bill of Rights is based on the principle of PASSIVE rights. The French revolution and its offsprings, like the Bolsheviks, the Nazis, the Fascists and the Maoists believe in active rights.

Rights apply to actions of the individual and individuals grant government the power it has.

"We the people" have (one way or another) granted the government too much power.

It's time to reclaim (most of) that power.

 

[garryl]

Bad or good, time will tell.

Insurance companies are crooks. Do not count on them too much.
They have to take all the patients, good and bad.

 

[camberiu]

Bad or good, time will tell.

Insurance companies are crooks. Do not count on them too much.

Well, they were the ones who actually wrote the Affordable Care Act.

 

[Ries]

Ah- doesnt Argentina ALREADY have "complete control (totalitarianism)"?

I mean, why would you want to move to a country that has a socialist health care system that uses taxes to provide no cost health care to all its citizens, (Argentina) to escape living in a country that MIGHT, in some unknown date in the future, change to a socialist health care system that uses taxes to provide no cost health care to all its citizens (USA)?

Seems kinda backwards to me.

 

[Arnebartelsman]

Don't really see what this got to do with Argentina whatsoever but ok, why not.

Active rights, like the french revolution, are the basis for the welfare state that exist in scandanavian countries and for example the Netherlands. Not surprisingly in these countries the intergenerational income inequality (the degree of which your parent's income decides yours) is much lower, whereas in the states it is extremely high. As experts say: If you want to live the american dream, go to Denmark.

With such extreme amounts of people still voting for people like Rick Santorum and watching Bill O'Reilly, i'd say there's probably need for a lot more government control, not less.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Ah- doesnt Argentina ALREADY have "complete control (totalitarianism)"?

I mean, why would you want to move to a country that has a socialist health care system that uses taxes to provide no cost health care to all its citizens, (Argentina) to escape living in a country that MIGHT, in some unknown date in the future, change to a socialist health care system that uses taxes to provide no cost health care to all its citizens (USA)?

Seems kinda backwards to me.

Until you need it...

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Duplicated post

 

[internationalguy]

Don't really see what this got to do with Argentina whatsoever but ok, why not.

Active rights, like the french revolution, are the basis for the welfare state that exist in scandanavian countries and for example the Netherlands. Not surprisingly in these countries the intergenerational income inequality (the degree of which your parent's income decides yours) is much lower, whereas in the states it is extremely high. As experts say: If you want to live the american dream, go to Denmark.

With such extreme amounts of people still voting for people like Rick Santorum and watching Bill O'Reilly, i'd say there's probably need for a lot more government control, not less.

You have no idea what you're saying. If Obama really wanted to turn America into Denmark I would be his supporter. Instead he concocted an abomination of a law that leaves big pharma and crook insurance companies untouched. If ACA would be the solution I wouldn't oppose it. It's just full of wholes and it's based on the same failed system. If Obama were who he claims to be he would have TOTALLY changed the system, at least tried to since BOTH parties have heavy campaign contributions from those two industries Obamacare leaves untouched. Instead we have the worst law of the last 40 years and we're not allowed to say anything because we get called teabaggers or people who don't care about uninsured people. Let me tell you who REALLY doesn't care... Obama, most democrats, most republicans, big phama, insurance companies.....

 

[Arnebartelsman]

If you read carefully I am not talking about Obamacare, frankly i don't know enough about it. I was merely arguing against this 'the government has to much power' paradigm and the idea that the US constitution is a divine guidebook for statehood as opposed to any constitution/ideology that involves for example universal heatlh care paid for by progressive income tax.

 

[internationalguy]

If you read carefully I am not talking about Obamacare, frankly i don't know enough about it. I was merely arguing against this 'the government has to much power' paradigm and the idea that the US constitution is a divine guidebook for statehood as opposed to any constitution/ideology that involves for example universal heatlh care paid for by progressive income tax.

Fair enough, you're right you weren't talking about Obamacare, my apologies. If you wanted to implement a system like the Dutch or Scandinavian you would need a lot of reforms and you would need to change everything about how politics work in Washington, I think it's very desirable in a way but it's very unlikely to happen.