The New Head Of Banco Nacion

[Bajo_cero2]

Did you actually read it? If so, do you believe that unemployment is under 7% and poverty has all but disappeared? Seems that all of your sources are tied to oficialismo in one way or another. Reading all your links (I did, and thank you for providing them), most if not all of the 214 denuncias are politically-motivated and come, not suprisingly, also from oficialismo.

And of course some of them might well be true; he may have condoned or ordered corrupt acts. But even so, I didn't see any of your sources directly accuse Macri personally of malfeasance. They were denuncias of things done by or for his administration while he was in charge (buck stops here).

For a more balanced look at the man, this seems more reasonable:
http://www.bubblear.com/a-guide-mauricio-macri-for-beginners/

Yes, i m sure that this is the unemployment today. Here you have more "oficialistas" sources like Banco Mundial:

http://datos.bancomundial.org/indicador/SL.UEM.TOTL.ZS

However, don't worry, i m sure this is going to rise fast.

 

[ElQueso]

Yeah, the unemployment rate will rise. One of the first things Macri will try to do, I bet, is clean as much deadwood out of the government that he can. If he gets the economy running again, those people could actually find real jobs then - if they dare.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Yeah, the unemployment rate will rise. One of the first things Macri will try to do, I bet, is clean as much deadwood out of the government that he can. If he gets the economy running again, those people could actually find real jobs then - if they dare.

Sure, Menem did the same .

 

[ElQueso]

Well, then Menem did what he should have, and hopefully Macri will do the same.

I'll never understand how so many in this country think it is a good thing, or at least not a bad thing, to employ people to do nothing, and a bad thing to un-employ those who do nothing.

Of course, like most logic related to the outgoing president and those who supported her (and, as you mentioned previously, still do in congress, although their majority had already slipped somewhat before the runoff) - any removal of anyone from any job is evil. Menem did this, and had other problems, so therefore if Macri does this, he is just like Menem in everything else.

Bajo, you mentioned Macri using his veto - I sure as hell hope so. We already know he's going to have a hell of a time getting anything done because of that majority in congress, unless he resorts to ruling by decree. Unfortunately, if he doesn't rule by decree he probably won't be able to make some critically-needed changes to how many things are done, and that's something that FpV would love because that is the road back to executive power for them in 4 years as things will pretty much go on the same, as to what Cristina will allow to be done via her party apparatus.

One question - you mentioned somewhere else that congress can override the president's veto on a second vote - is there no extra limit on how many votes they have to get the second time to override the veto or is it a simple majority?

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Well, then Menem did what he should have, and hopefully Macri will do the same.

I'll never understand how so many in this country think it is a good thing, or at least not a bad thing, to employ people to do nothing, and a bad thing to un-employ those who do nothing.

Of course, like most logic related to the outgoing president and those who supported her (and, as you mentioned previously, still do in congress, although their majority had already slipped somewhat before the runoff) - any removal of anyone from any job is evil. Menem did this, and had other problems, so therefore if Macri does this, he is just like Menem in everything else.

Bajo, you mentioned Macri using his veto - I sure as hell hope so. We already know he's going to have a hell of a time getting anything done because of that majority in congress, unless he resorts to ruling by decree. Unfortunately, if he doesn't rule by decree he probably won't be able to make some critically-needed changes to how many things are done, and that's something that FpV would love because that is the road back to executive power for them in 4 years as things will pretty much go on the same, as to what Cristina will allow to be done via her party apparatus.

One question - you mentioned somewhere else that congress can override the president's veto on a second vote - is there no extra limit on how many votes they have to get the second time to override the veto or is it a simple majority?

You assert without any evidence that people is hired for do not work. Sure, but it is pure fantasy.

The debate is different, Macri wants a minimum State, so, for him all the public employee are ñoquis even this is not accurate.

You mentioned to removal public officers is evil. Well, it is illegal because those who Macri wanted to dismiss, had legal permanency in their jobs until retirement and can be dismiss only by political judgment. Helloooooooooooooooo.

Regarding to rule by decree, there Comision Bicameral of the Congress can nulify all the decrees because decrees can only be reglamentary of laws, laws that in reallity the future President dislikes. So, even the CB never worked well, seems that now is going to be working hard.

On the other hand, the Congress can by pass the veto with 2 approvals.

So, Macri has a real opposition in the Congress but his expectations are like he won a coup where he can put all his people in all the positions of the State. Welcome to democracy.

 

[Gringoboy]

In case you hadn't noticed Mr Rubilar, winning a presidential election normally means bringing in your own people, as happens in most first world democracies.
What doesn't happen in most first world democracies is a refusal to cooperate and allow a reasonable transition period.The people you support are obfuscating information and hiding the real facts right up till the eleventh hour.
Your hypocrisy apparently knows no bounds as you have the bare faced cheek to announce 'Welcome to democracy' as if you were some wise old sage.
Well, it doesn't work and the least you should do is admit that the behaviour of this outgoing government, particularly your president, is reprehensible in the extreme.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

In case you hadn't noticed Mr Rubilar, winning a presidential election normally means bringing in your own people, as happens in most first world democracies.
What doesn't happen in most first world democracies is a refusal to cooperate and allow a reasonable transition period.The people you support are obfuscating information and hiding the real facts right up till the eleventh hour.
Your hypocrisy apparently knows no bounds as you have the bare faced cheek to announce 'Welcome to democracy' as if you were some wise old sage.
Well, it doesn't work and the least you should do is admit that the behaviour of this outgoing government, particularly your president, is reprehensible in the extreme.

A lot of blablablabla.

Being a foreigner, I suggest more humility because your arrogancy only shows how big is your ignorancy as I m going to explain, because it is not my intention to humilliate you (something really too easy), instead, to teach you as far as I m a lawyer specialized in constitutional law (Citizenship IS constitutional law and it is NOT immigration).

FYI there is something called entes autarquicos. These are institutions that even they are part of the State, they are independent. They have they own authorities, they own budget, they own rules. No matter who is the President, they are there. UBA University is an example of an ente autarquico. Even the FPV ruled for almost a decade, they never won an election there AND THEY NEVER EVEN THOUGH ABOUT TO ASK FOR ANY RESIGNATION. (don`t get upset if I start with the "helloooooooooo, Mc Fly, is someone in there?)

The people Macri "wish" to quit are the head of some of those entes autarquicos like the Prosecutor Office ruled by law 24.946 that stablishes in a super clear way:

ARTICULO 1° — El Ministerio Público es un órgano independiente, con autonomía funcional y autarquía financiera, que tiene por función promover la actuación de la justicia en defensa de la legalidad y de los intereses generales de la sociedad.

Article 1: The prosecutor office is an independent office, with functional independency and finacial autarchy (independency)....

So, as you see, you are missinformed.

Regarding about how to remove the General Prosecutor, the law says:

MECANISMOS DE REMOCION​

ARTICULO 18. — El Procurador General de la Nación y el Defensor General de la Nación sólo pueden ser removidos por las causales y mediante el procedimiento establecidos en los artículos 53 y 59 de la Constitución Nacional.

Article 18: The general prosecutor (Gils Garbo) can ONLY be removed by the reasons and through the procedure established in the articles 53 and 59 of the bill of rights. (it means that like judges, she is there until she retires).

Artículo 52.- A la Cámara de Diputados corresponde exclusivamente la iniciativa de las leyes sobre contribuciones y reclutamiento de tropas.
Artículo 53.- Sólo ella ejerce el derecho de acusar ante el Senado al presidente, vicepresidente, al jefe de gabinete de ministros, a los ministros y a los miembros de la Corte Suprema, en las causas de responsabilidad que se intenten contra ellos, por mal desempeño o por delito en el ejercicio de sus funciones; o por crímenes comunes, después de haber conocido de ellos y declarado haber lugar a la formación de causa por la mayoría de dos terceras partes de sus miembros presentes.

Resume: Only the Chamber of Deputies can accuse.

Artículo 59.- Al Senado corresponde juzgar en juicio público a los acusados por la Cámara de Diputados, debiendo sus miembros prestar juramento para este acto. Cuando el acusado sea el presidente de la Nación, el Senado será presidido por el presidente de la Corte Suprema. Ninguno será declarado culpable sino a mayoría de los dos tercios de los miembros presentes.

Resume: only the Senate can judge

All the prosecutor has immutiny, they cannoy be arrested whithout being dismissed.

AUTARQUIA FINANCIERA​

ARTICULO 22. — A los efectos de asegurar su autarquía financiera, el Ministerio Público contará con crédito presupuestario propio, el que será atendido con cargo a rentas generales y con recursos específicos.
El Procurador General de la Nación y el Defensor General de Nación, elaborarán el proyecto de presupuesto y lo remitirán al Congreso para su consideración por intermedio del Ministerio de Economía y Obras y Servicios Públicos.

They have they own budget with the aporval of the Congress NOT the President.

RELACIONES CON LOS PODERES EJECUTIVO Y LEGISLATIVO​

ARTICULO 23. — El Ministerio Público se relacionará con el Poder Ejecutivo por intermedio del Ministerio de Justicia.
La relación con el Poder Legislativo se efectuará mediante una Comisión Bicameral cuya composición y funciones fijarán las cámaras del Congreso.

The General Posecutor deals with the President through the Justice department, not straight.


http://www.infoleg.g...9874/texact.htm

The bill of rights establishes:
SECCIÓN CUARTA
Del ministerio público
Artículo 120.- El Ministerio Público es un órgano independiente con autonomía funcional y autarquía financiera que tiene por función promover la actuación de la justicia en defensa de la legalidad de los intereses generales de la sociedad en coordinación con las demás autoridades de la República.
Está integrado por un procurador general de la Nación y un defensor general de la Nación y los demás miembros que la ley establezca.
Sus miembros gozan de inmunidades funcionales e intangibilidad de remuneraciones.

Their members are like the judges, they are there until they retire unless there is a dismiss trial.

So, no matter what happend in other countries, this is the LAW.

While in the US the General Prosecutor is appointed by every President because he works for the President; in Argentina they DO NOT WORK for the President. That`s why they are independent.

Even Argentina copied the bill of rights of the US in 1860, we improved it according with our political history in 1994.

The independence of the prosecutor office is new, it was established in the last bill of rights change in 1994.

So, if you don`t like the law or you disagree with it, don`t worry, criminals don`t agree with the criminal law neither .

Even you are not (probably) a criminal, Macri is procesado in 2 cases and has another 214 criminal cases.

So, he is a C.........L (you complete)
.

Sorry, I teach constitutional law for 9 years at UBA Law University.

 

[thorsten]

So, if you don`t like the law or you disagree with it, don`t worry, criminals don`t agree with the criminal law neither .

Even you are not (probably) a criminal, Macri is procesado in 2 cases and has another 214 criminal cases.

So, he is a C.........
.

Sorry, I teach constitutional law for 9 years at UBA Law University.

Wow, now I feel really bad for the UBA Law students. A "teacher of law" who implies that someone is a criminal as soon as a process is made instead of when a judge rules him guilty...

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Wow, now I feel really bad for the UBA Law students. A "teacher of law" who implies that someone is a criminal as soon as a process is made instead of when a judge rules him guilty...

You are a teen.

Read the dictionary from time to time:
1. adj. Perteneciente o relativo al crimen.
2. adj. Que implica o conlleva crimen. Impulso criminal.
3. adj. Dicho de una ley, de un instituto o de una acción: Destinado a perseguir y castigar los crímenes o delitos.
4. adj. Que ha cometido o procurado cometer un crimen. U. t. c. s.

I m not at Court, this is not a criminal procedure.

Please, your morality is very low.

Your trolling is boring, show I am wrong, that Gils Garbo MUST quit. You can`t.

Your President has 214 criminal cases against him, he is procesado in 2 cases. Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. This is not normal.

 

[thorsten]

Take your meds, the helloooooooo Tourette syndrome is coming through again (apart from being delusional like always)...